Blu-ray Disc Player Review: Samsung BD-P1000

<A href="http://www.audioholics.com/news/uploads/samsungBDP10001.jpg"><IMG style="WIDTH: 125px; HEIGHT: 93px" alt=[samsungBDP10001] hspace=10 src="http://www.audioholics.com/news/thumbs/samsungBDP10001_th.jpg" align=left border=0></A>Not a day goes by that I don’t get inundated with emails or news reports of something going on in the new high resolution DVD “format war”. I am determined to avoid the tendency to break into loquacious bouts of opinion regarding the formats and simply stick to reviewing this rather fine looking piece of machinery. Believe me, it’s easier and it makes my job a whole lot more pleasant if we keep the comparisons to their own articles where they belong. With that being said, Samsung is the first product to market for Blu-ray Disc and, as such, carries the burden of taking heat for anything not yet performing up to snuff with respect to the player’s capabilities. As we go through the various functions and utilities of the BD player, you’ll get to experience what I did and perhaps get a glimpse inside what makes this $1000 high resolution player tick.

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racquetman

racquetman

Audioholic Chief
I wish I had the time and energy to go back and find the threads stating how Blu-ray was going to crush HD-DVD because it is such a superior format on paper. I would like to throw some of the comments right back in peoples' faces, but that would be petty of me wouldn't it?

I don't know how the Blu-ray group managed to put out such a mediocre product (the software), but I guess I'm not surprised. Their discs should look spectacular, but they don't. People will take a look at them, be completely underwhelmed, and never give it another thought.

You need to wow people early on, but that sure isn't happening for Blu-ray, is it?
 
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ned

Full Audioholic
FYI, Toshiba HXE1 has been aanounced with 1080p and HDMI 1.3.
 
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JES14

Audioholic
Nice review as usual. But I have to ask, since I can't find one, where is the review on the HD-DVD palyer?
 
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Soyut

Audiophyte
Why should I not just wait a little bit longer and get a ps3. Isn't that a perfectly good Blu-ray player?
 
RLA

RLA

Audioholic Chief
Hello All
Maybe I can offer a little more info as I have had the Blue Ray player in my system and now currently have the Toshiba HD-A1.The short and sweet version is as of this date there is no comparison, the Toshiba HD-A1 and HD-DVD is superior. Firmware version 2.0 introduced early adopters of HD-DVD to Dolby Digital True HD. I just purchased Constantine and can tell you that the soundtrack and video performance was simply amazing. Another important aspect of the differences between the two players is the Toshiba HD -A1 is a very good up converting DVD player.

The simple fact is that the HD-A1 has excellent detail, 3:2 detection and film cadence conversion. The bottom line is that you get tweaked HTPC video quality with the HD-A1 as a stand alone up converting player without the hassle of configuring the HTPC. You also get the best video and audio performance in HD DVD, As of this post regardless of price and at $499 it’s a steal. Word has it that G-2 players will be shipping soon, but I would not expect the level of build quality found on the HD-A1
 
RLA

RLA

Audioholic Chief
Here are the HQV bench marks for the HD-A1, it scores very high in the areas that count the most. I posted this on another forum to help the members there.

Reading the numerous post and threads here at AVS regarding resolution settings for the Toshiba HD-A1 reminds me of the famous game show “Lets Make A Deal”. Is the correct resolution setting for my display behind door number one, two, or three? With this in mind, I took a couple of hours and tested the HD-A1 with the HQV test disk at both 720p and 1080i resolutions. All testing was conducted with the Toshiba HD-Al firmware version 2.0 build date August 2006. The display device was the Sharp DT-400 (1280x720p DLP) using the HDMI output of the HD-Al and terminated to the DT-400 with a HDMI>DVI adapter.

For an explanation of the various tests and a scoring guide you may wish to visit www.HQV.com. The HQV testing may clear up some confusion for some; however, during the evaluation and testing, I found some interesting results that may indeed add some confusion. Selecting various progressive modes in the HD-Al setup menu produced surprising results. An explanation of the results can be found below the test. I wish to apologize in advance for the format of the test results; the test template would not transfer to the forum.

HD-Al @ 720p Auto mode Max points HDMI 720p Pass/Fail
Color Bar Max points10 720p points10 Pass
Jaggies Pattern #1 Max points 5 720p points 3 Pass
Jaggies Pattern #2 Max points 5 720p points 3 Pass
Flag Test Max points 10 720p points 5 Pass
Detail Max points 10 720p points 10 Pass
Noise Reduction Max points10 720p Points 5 Pass
Motion Adaptive Noise
Reduction Max points 10 720p points 5 Pass
Film Detail Max points 10 720p points 10 Pass
Cadence 2:2 Max points 5 720p points 5 Pass
Cadence 2:2:2:4 Max points 5 720p points 5 Pass
Cadence 2:3:3:2 Max points 5 720p points 0 Fail
Cadence 3:2:3:2:2 Max points 5 720p points 0 Fail
Cadence 5:5 Max points 5 720p points 0 Fail
Cadence 6:4 Max points 5 720p points 0 Fail
Cadence 8:7 Max points 5 720p points 0 Fail
Cadence 3:2 Max points 5 720p points 5 Pass
Scrolling Horizontal Max points 10 720p points 0 Fail
Scrolling Rolling Max points 10 720p points 10 Pass

Total Points Max points 130 720p points 76

Comments on HQV 720p testing:
The Toshiba HD-Al tested fairly well @ 720p. The color bar test was very sharp, detailed, and no flickering occurred. On Jaggies pattern one, the jaggies were not produced until the relatively shallow angle of 20 degrees. On the Jaggies pattern number two, the two top bars were smooth, but the bottom bar had slight tearing and this lowered the score for this pattern. The Flag test surprised me, the image looked detailed with slight tearing and jaggies occurred at the very end of the flag. Given the relatively good jaggies one and two tests, I would have thought that the HD-Al would do better with the Flag test. The slight tearing and jaggies lowered the score on this test.

The HD-A1 has very good detail and it passed the Detail test with flying colors. The HD-Al did an average job with the Noise Reduction Test. The image of the flower and the desert scenes had a moderate amount of grain and noise. The desert flower looked sharp and detailed with a slight amount of grain present in the almost still image. This lowered the score on this test.

The HD-A1 did just an average job on the Motion Adaptive Noise Reduction Test. The roller coaster looked smooth and there were no visible trails or streaks, but there was noise and grain in the background. The leaves on the tree had a slight amount of jaggies and ringing was noticeable on the outline of the leaves as they were blowing in the breeze.

On the Film Detail Test, the HD-Al did a very good job. The HD-A1 locked into film mode very quickly and stayed locked throughout the scene. Moiré was only visible for a split second and after the player locked into film mode it was not produced again. The HD-A1 received a perfect score on this test.

The HQV test disk has eight cadence tests. In most home theater applications the 3:2- 24 fps film cadence and the 2:2- 30 fps video are the most significant cadences in the test but the other cadences may be important based on the application used. The HD-Al did a very good job with the 3:2-24 fps cadences. The cadence was very smooth and no jaggies, strobing, or flickering occurred in the scene. The HD-Al received a perfect score on the 3:2- 24 fps cadence and is among the best DVD players I have evaluated to date, in regards to this test.

The HD-A1 received a perfect score for 2:2-30 fps video. Once again the HD-Al produced a smooth, artifact free image with no jaggies, tearing, or flickering at all.

Cadence 2:2:2:4 is for camcorders and HD camcorders that can capture video at 24 fps.
The HD-A1 received a perfect score with this cadence and the image was smooth and artifact free.

Cadence 3:3:3:2 is also a camcorder cadence. The HD-Al failed this cadence. The cadence had significant jaggies, flickering, and strobing.

The HD-A1 failed the 3:2:3:2:2 cadence for film shows on TV. Jaggies and flickering were produced while displaying this cadence.

The HD-A1 failed all the animation cadences 5:5, 6:4, and 8:7. All three cadences had significant strobing and jaggies.

The HD-Al failed the Mixed 3:2 Film With Added Video Titles Test (scrolling test). The scene transitions produced significant crawl. I was very surprised to see this result. Most of the mid priced up converting DVD players I have evaluated to date have passed this test. I began a small investigation and thought this may be a set up issue. Entering the HD-Al’s setup menu, I changed the progressive mode from Auto to Film and retested. The results remained the same: significant crawl on the horizontal text. Next I went back into the set up menu and changed the progressive mode from Film to Video and retested. As expected, the horizontal text was smooth and artifact free; however the player is no longer in film mode. This seems to indicate that the HD-Al has difficulties holding the 3:2 sequences when 30 fps video is introduced. Regardless, you would not want to set your player’s progressive mode to video. We will have to see if future firmware upgrades can resolve this problem.

The final HQV test is Vertical Text Scroll (credits). The HD-Al received a perfect score on this test. The HD-Al produced an artifact free image. The text rolled smoothly up the screen and the background had no jaggies or scan lines.

HD-A1 @ 1080i Auto mode:

Ok all, here are the differences you have all been waiting for, are you ready?

The HD-A1 had the exact same HQV test score received in the 720p resolution test when the resolution was set for 1080i. I ran this test multiple times and there were absolutely no differences at all, none, zip, nada! I looked at the jaggies test many times: result-no difference. I looked at the flag test: no difference. Detail you say? Nope, no difference.
How about color bar, surely the horizontal lines are sharper at 1080i: nope.

What this seems to indicate is that firmware 2.0 has resolved many of the previous issues. My advice is to set the HD-Al to the resolution that either matches your displays native resolution or is the closest resolution.

Remember in the beginning, I told you that setting the progressive mode in the setup would affect the player’s performance. I found that if I set the HD-A1 to film mode that all the HQV tests were the same as when set to Auto with the exception on one. When the HD-A1 is set to Film mode the player will fail both the scrolling text and credits test. When the HD-A1 is set to Auto it will still fail the scrolling text but will pass the credits test. The correct progressive setting for the HD-A1 at this time with the 2.0-firmware version is Auto! I don’t know if Toshiba is aware of this oddity or not and perhaps this will be addressed in future firmware versions.

Setting the HD-A1’s progressive mode to Video produced very low HQV cadence scores. The HD-A1 didn’t pass any of them including the 2:2- 30 fps video cadence. I would call this the stinky chicken behind door number three.

Toshiba HD-A1 vs. Denon DVD 2910 (up conversion standard DVD’s):

Many have stated that the HD-A1 will outperform mid-priced up converting DVD players. There is little doubt, all faults aside that the HD-Al is a great DVD player for the money. Last year, I did a complete comprehensive evaluation of the Denon DVD –2910
Looking over my notes and test scores, I found that the 2910 did a better job than the HD-A1 in a couple of areas on the HQV testing but failed one area that the HD-A1 passed.

The DVD-2910 scores a perfect 10 on the Flag Test and also did a better job on Noise Reduction. However, the Denon DVD –2910 failed the Film Detail Test that the HD-A1 passed with flying colors. The Denon DVD-2910 also had trouble with macro-blocking. Given the choice, I would go with the Toshiba. Slow boot up time, quirky operation, lower score on the Flag Test and Noise Reduction aside, the HD-A1 is the better up converting DVD player.

I hope this will help clear up some of the confusion. I look forward to future firmware updates from Toshiba, as this player just gets better with each one. Just remember choosing the correct progressive mode in the set-up menu will affect the DVD player’s performance. What ever you do don’t select door number three!
 
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mfabien

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RLA,

Do you think Clint will ever see the light and get an HD DVD player?
 
RLA

RLA

Audioholic Chief
Do you think Clint will ever see the light and get an HD DVD player?
Sony did stumble out of the gate and did little to help its cause with the release of the BD-P1000 at that price point. The Toshiba is not without its faults but at less that 1/2 the price of Samsung and having much better perfromance is the obvious choice today.Sont has an Ace in the hole with PS-3 and new Blu-Ray players will make there way to store shelf's soon. another important thing to keep in mind is uneducated workers at big box chain stores are marketing Blu Ray as the superior format. Bottm line is the format war rages on with HD-DVD winning at the moment.Keep an eye on the manufactures support of Blu Ray if this starts to become unstable then you will get an indication of the outcome.
As of today Sony still has the support of many large manufactures and film studios but Q3 should give us a small look at what’s to come.
 
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MAX661

Audioholic
One major Blu-Ray manufacturer {Pioneer} recently announced they are on middle ground now and making an HD DVD drive...
 
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JES14

Audioholic
Thank you for the review on the HD-A1! Great info. Now my only wonder is would it be better then my Denon 2900?
 
RLA

RLA

Audioholic Chief
Thank you for the review on the HD-A1! Great info. Now my only wonder is would it be better then my Denon 2900?
Hello,

To answer your question, I think this would depend on what type of display you are using. If your display is a front projector or you are using a large fixed pixel display device with high resolution (1280x720 or higher) then I think the Toshiba HD-A1 would be better. Let me try to put the performance of the HD-A1 up converting capability in perspective.

I have always used very high end HTPC's to drive my front projection systems. Why? Because I can output native resolution and perform 1:1 pixel mapping, thus bypassing any internal scaling from the projector. My newest HTPC is very high end, using Nvidia graphics card, pure video decoders and mulitple software DVD players running at my projectors native resolution of 1280x720 with a refresh rate of 47.952. I have spent countless hours and days tweaking this HTPC to perfection.

This provides me with 1:1 pixel mapping and 2x the actual rate of film. Until now there has not been a DVD player on the market that would outperform my HTPC regardless of price. The HD-A1 bests my tweaked HTPC's performance slightly. Keep in mind that the HD-A1 is essentially a HTPC in a very large DVD chassis.

The benefit of owning the HD-A1 is you get stellar standard DVD up conversion and HD DVD playback if you desire. HD DVD discs are now showing up at Blockbuster and Netflix for rental so there is no need to buy $25 disks to enjoy the new format. What do you lose? You will not have the ability to play DVD-A and SACD in a 5-channel configuration, but you may not want to after hearing DD+ and Dolby True HD via direct PCM from HDMI or five channel analog out. Iwill continue to monitor this thread with questions regarding HD-DVD

Hope this helps you fulfill your videophile aspirations :)
 
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JES14

Audioholic
No SACD or DVD-A is a shame, I was under the impression they would work with the 6 channel analogue output. Not that I have many titles anyway. What is your opinion on the DD+ or DD True compared to the sound of a unit like my 2900? Movie watching that is, U571, We Were Soldiers etc...
 
RLA

RLA

Audioholic Chief
What is your opinion on the DD+ or DD True compared to the sound of a unit like my 2900? Movie watching that is, U571, We Were Soldiers
DD+ and Dolby True HD are absolutely amazing. The entire sound field sounds larger, dialog is clear and the rear surrounds are more active. I just finished watching the Chronicles of Riddick HD DVD. The soundtrack and picture on this DVD is mind blowing. Switching back to the SD version it sounded compressed and the picture looked dull and grainy.

This is what happens when you get a taste of good HD-DVD, it spoils you. Riddick is a near reference standard definition DVD, but when compared to the HD-DVD version you will never watch it again. The sound difference between the Denon 2900 and the Toshiba has more to do with the software than the hardware. Both DVD players have excellent DAC’s for analog. Bit stream is Bit stream if anyone can hear a difference between the two they will win the golden monkey award.

The best advise I can give you is keep the 2900 in your system if you have a large DVD-A/SACD collection. If you are a videophile get the HD-A1 or wait for the G-2 players. Once you have a good HD-DVD player connected to your display you will not use the video outs on the Denon :)
 
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JES14

Audioholic
Nice, thanks again RLA. Now my only conern is my Hitachi 51F500 only has 1 HDMI input:confused: and I'm hearing all kinds of nightmares about video switching with the SA8300HD.
 
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JES14

Audioholic
RLA, have you seen any specs for the upcoming G2 HD-DVD players from Toshiba? Will the upconverting of SD-DVD be as good?I am going to upgrade my rec. so the analogue connections will not be a factor, all will be connected via HDMI.
 
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