Black Hole

[Buckeyefan 1]

Interesting news. Something, somewhere is getting sucked down the drain.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051102/sc_nm/space_blackhole_dc

 

[furrycute]

Now the question is, what kind of bass does it generate?

What kind of a sub is needed to bring out that low frequncy rumble when it eats a star for breakfast? Do we have to go into negative Hz territory?

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Now the question is, what kind of bass does it generate?

What kind of a sub is needed to bring out that low frequncy rumble when it eats a star for breakfast? Do we have to go into negative Hz territory?

-1 Hz...

Notice the name on the "sub"

 

[Shadow_Ferret]

Interesting.

Black holes have been described as the ultimate victory over gravity because of their ability to suck in stars and other galactic features.

Um, that's not how I would describe it. To me a black hole is the ultimate victory OF gravity because it sucks EVERYTHING in, even light.

 

[majorloser]

Now the question is, what kind of bass does it generate?

What kind of a sub is needed to bring out that low frequncy rumble when it eats a star for breakfast? Do we have to go into negative Hz territory?

Pure silence since it's the vacuum of space

 

[markw]

Oops, sorry.

I thought this thread was about Jesee Jackson or Al Sharpton

 

[furrycute]

Pure silence since it's the vacuum of space

That's not quite true.

The reason why we hear sound is because there are molecules of oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and other gases in the air.

When stars go supernova, many elements are released, along with tremendous forces of explosion pushing these stellar elements outward in spectacular shockwaves. I wonder if the propagation of that shockwave in a medium of moving stellar elements can be considered "sound."

Of course when it comes to black holes, everything gets sucked. But I do remember reading somewhere that something is released when objects are sucked into a black hole. UV light? X rays? Or some other higher frequency EM energy? It's been a while since my college physics days.

But suppose the black is functioning in the vicinity of a star system. With all those planets and stars being teared to shreds, some planetary and stellar masses, including gasses, are bound to be scattered all over the vicinity of the black hole. When you have propagation of those masses towards the black hole, can't you consider that there is sound? Of course all this depends on the definition of what is considered sound.

Anyone got any bright ideas?

 

[furrycute]

On further thought. Sound is defined as pressure changes propagated within a medium.

Now when we talk about sound in space, the definition of medium needs to be modified. On earth we are used to dealing with a gaseous medium when it comes to sound. In space, the medium can consist of anything that possesses mass, be it stellar gases, asteroids, of even planetary and stellar bodies.

Of course then the sensor that will detect these pressure changes need to be modified as well. Human ears probably will not be able to detect these types of "sound" unless we are dealing solely with stellar gases. So then it's computers to the rescue.

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Anyone read Steven Hawkings "A Brief History of Time?" Great book - I highly recommend it.

If you're not familiar with the terms "singularity" and "event horizon" pertaining to black holes, he explains it well in his book.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0553103741/002-2362334-9436068?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance

Here's a few quotes from PBS online:

"A singularity is a region of space-time in which gravitational forces are so strong that even general relativity, the well-proven gravitational theory of Einstein, and the best theory we have for describing the structure of the universe, breaks down there. A singularity marks a point where the curvature of space-time is infinite, or, in other words, it possesses zero volume and infinite density. General relativity demands that singularities arise under two circumstances. First, a singularity must form during the creation of a black hole. When a very massive star reaches the end of its life, its core, which was previously held up by the pressure of the nuclear fusion that was taking place, collapses and all the matter in the core gets crushed out of existence at the singularity. Second, general relativity shows that under certain reasonable assumptions, an expanding universe like ours must have begun as a singularity."




"CAN ANYTHING ESCAPE FROM A BLACK HOLE?


Black holes are usually thought of as objects with such strong gravity that nothing, not even light, can escape from them. However, Stephen Hawking has shown that black holes can radiate energy. The reason goes back to quantum mechanics and the uncertainty principle. For very brief periods of time, matter or energy can be created from “empty” space because no such thing as truly empty space exists. Hawking realized that if a particle/anti-particle pair came into existence near the event horizon of a black hole, one might fall into the hole before annihilating its anti-particle. The other particle could then escape the gravitational clutches of the black hole, appearing to an outside observer as radiation."

Another great book is "Hyperspace" and the 10 dimensions.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/0385477058/002-2362334-9436068

 

[Buckle-meister]

Anyone read Steven Hawkings "A Brief History of Time?" Great book - I highly recommend it.

I wouldn't. I thought it was much overrated.

Another great book is "Hyperspace" and the 10 dimensions.

This I would agree with however. Other excellent books (all better than A Brief History of Time in my opinion) by Michio Kaku are:

1. Beyond Einstein: Superstrings and the Quest for the Final Theory.

2. Visions: How Science Will Revolutionize the 21st Century.

Regards

 

[majorloser]

When you get a chance to fly out there and hear it, let me know what it sounds like.

Oh yeah, even traveling at the speed of light I'll be long dead.


Hey, if black hole is the ultimate vacuum, and we are all in the Milky Way where this black hole is centered, would that mean we are all getting a galactic BJ...................

 

[Buckle-meister]

Hey, if black hole is the ultimate vacuum, and we are all in the Milky Way where this black hole is centered, would that mean we are all getting a galactic BJ...................

Don't you mean SJ?!

Regards

 

[BostonMark]

another good book on life the universe...

Dance of the Wu Li Masters

It explains quantum physics, quarks, and string theory for those of us that probably wouldn't fully understand the pure scientific explanation.

 

[majorloser]

Don't you mean SJ?!

Regards

In America, we get BJ's (if we're lucky)

 

[JohnOAS]

Sound in space

On further thought. Sound is defined as pressure changes propagated within a medium.

I concurr. I don't think we can call pure, non-vibrational transfer of matter/energy "sound". Of course, when the energy/matter in question meets the atmosphere we're living in, it may well create some new "sound" all it's own.

Now when we talk about sound in space, the definition of medium needs to be modified. On earth we are used to dealing with a gaseous medium when it comes to sound. In space, the medium can consist of anything that possesses mass, be it stellar gases, asteroids, of even planetary and stellar bodies.

I don't beleive it makes much sense to re-define our definition of sound to suit such a scale and medium. There's already a plethora of terms and methods for describing the interaction of stellar bodies and energy. You'd have to end up including things which don't really make much sense in the "sound" basket, like good old light, for instance.

Amusing stuff to discuss after a few (insert alcoholic beverage of choice here)'s at a party, but at the end of the day, a bit OT as far as physics itself is concerned

 

[furrycute]

Amusing stuff to discuss after a few (insert alcoholic beverage of choice here)'s at a party, but at the end of the day, a bit OT as far as physics itself is concerned

Yea, but how else do you come up with computer generated room shaking bass coming from those huge star destroyers flying through space?

 

[Cygnus]

You guys talking about me?

(Cygnus X-1 is a constellation and a black hole, which is what two Rush tunes are about (the black hole part) "Cygnus X-1" (from A Farewell To Kings) and Cygnus X-1: Book 2: Hemispheres (from Hemispheres). That's where I got my name from.....so what is it that you want to know about me, the black hole?

 

[JohnOAS]

vacuum shaking bass

Yea, but how else do you come up with computer generated room shaking bass coming from those huge star destroyers flying through space?

Obviously, "<i>use the farce, cute</i>" !

A vacuum? I mean really, that just sucks.