I insoc789 Audiophyte Mar 10, 2006 1 0 0 Mar 10, 2006 #1 I have a Boston Acoustics PV700 12" subwoofer 200rms watts. I heard a Martin Logan Dynamo 10" subwoofer 200rms watts. I was very impressed with the Martin Logan. It delivered a tigher bass and don´t know why it even sounds louder and stronger than the Boston Acoustics. Would you get rid off of the Boston Acoustics to have the Martin Logan one, even if the Boston Acoustics is a 12" and the Martin Logan a 10"? Thank you!
I have a Boston Acoustics PV700 12" subwoofer 200rms watts. I heard a Martin Logan Dynamo 10" subwoofer 200rms watts. I was very impressed with the Martin Logan. It delivered a tigher bass and don´t know why it even sounds louder and stronger than the Boston Acoustics. Would you get rid off of the Boston Acoustics to have the Martin Logan one, even if the Boston Acoustics is a 12" and the Martin Logan a 10"? Thank you!
B BobbyT Junior Audioholic Apr 23, 2005 71 0 0 Mar 10, 2006 #2 The quality of the woofer is more important than the size. A high quality 8 will sound better than a lesser quality 15. Amp and enclosure also have a lot to do with it. As for getting rid of the BA for the MArtin Login, only you can determine if the sound is that much better to justify the cost.
The quality of the woofer is more important than the size. A high quality 8 will sound better than a lesser quality 15. Amp and enclosure also have a lot to do with it. As for getting rid of the BA for the MArtin Login, only you can determine if the sound is that much better to justify the cost.
Buckeyefan 1 Audioholic Ninja Feb 24, 2005 4,983 0 63 TBDBITL Mar 10, 2006 #3 Martin Logan arguably makes the best sounding subwoofers based on driver and cabinet size. They are extremely expensive, but hard to beat for sq.
Martin Logan arguably makes the best sounding subwoofers based on driver and cabinet size. They are extremely expensive, but hard to beat for sq.
R rolyasm Full Audioholic Oct 24, 2005 302 0 18 Mar 10, 2006 #4 It is kind of like ice cream. If you like one flavor, or sub, over another, I say get it if you like it that much better. If the cost is worth the sound difference you are hearing, then there you are. Keep in mind subs are very positional, so one sub could have coincidentally been optimized for the space it was it versus the other. I would listen from several placement postions and determine if you get the same results. Roly
It is kind of like ice cream. If you like one flavor, or sub, over another, I say get it if you like it that much better. If the cost is worth the sound difference you are hearing, then there you are. Keep in mind subs are very positional, so one sub could have coincidentally been optimized for the space it was it versus the other. I would listen from several placement postions and determine if you get the same results. Roly
B BBrunner Enthusiast Mar 10, 2006 17 0 0 Midwest Mar 10, 2006 #5 The only thing that matters is how it sounds to YOU. What we say hear really makes no difference. All we can do is help you in your decision making by making recommendations (though they may not be what you are looking for) and sharing our experiences with you. So here goes: If you prefer the Martin Logan, then go for it. However, as rolyasm mentioned, you need to be careful and weed out the voodoo and snake oil that the audio dealer may feed you. To rule out those things, ask if you can get an in home demo of the sub. Then you will really know how it sounds compared to the Boston.
The only thing that matters is how it sounds to YOU. What we say hear really makes no difference. All we can do is help you in your decision making by making recommendations (though they may not be what you are looking for) and sharing our experiences with you. So here goes: If you prefer the Martin Logan, then go for it. However, as rolyasm mentioned, you need to be careful and weed out the voodoo and snake oil that the audio dealer may feed you. To rule out those things, ask if you can get an in home demo of the sub. Then you will really know how it sounds compared to the Boston.
Sheep Audioholic Warlord May 19, 2005 9,781 0 113 39 Vancouver, BC Mar 10, 2006 #6 If both the woofers were equally designed, then yes, a larger woofer will not have to work as hard thusly lowering THD and extending deeper. In this case, the Martin Logan woofer is MUCH better. More linear travel, lower response, etc etc etc. I would see if you can do an In-home session, that way YOU can decide if there is a difference. SheepStar Last edited: Mar 13, 2006
If both the woofers were equally designed, then yes, a larger woofer will not have to work as hard thusly lowering THD and extending deeper. In this case, the Martin Logan woofer is MUCH better. More linear travel, lower response, etc etc etc. I would see if you can do an In-home session, that way YOU can decide if there is a difference. SheepStar
patnshan Senior Audioholic Jan 18, 2005 673 0 0 Muskego, WI Mar 11, 2006 #7 There is a reason SVS and Hsu do not market woofers larger than 12 inch. I would say that in general, they cannot move as fast. Not being an engineer, I have no idea what that means scientifically Pat
There is a reason SVS and Hsu do not market woofers larger than 12 inch. I would say that in general, they cannot move as fast. Not being an engineer, I have no idea what that means scientifically Pat
Sheep Audioholic Warlord May 19, 2005 9,781 0 113 39 Vancouver, BC Mar 11, 2006 #8 patnshan said: There is a reason SVS and Hsu do not market woofers larger than 12 inch. I would say that in general, they cannot move as fast. Not being an engineer, I have no idea what that means scientifically Pat Click to expand... *buzzer sound* Wrong. A large woofer can "react" (don't say slow, it hurts us all) just as fast as an 8inch, all you need to do it design it properly. Larger magnet, Bigger voice coil, More powerful Amp. Its simple, but only Velodyne actually does it right. SheepStar Reactions: patnshan
patnshan said: There is a reason SVS and Hsu do not market woofers larger than 12 inch. I would say that in general, they cannot move as fast. Not being an engineer, I have no idea what that means scientifically Pat Click to expand... *buzzer sound* Wrong. A large woofer can "react" (don't say slow, it hurts us all) just as fast as an 8inch, all you need to do it design it properly. Larger magnet, Bigger voice coil, More powerful Amp. Its simple, but only Velodyne actually does it right. SheepStar
W westcott Audioholic General Jul 8, 2005 1,453 0 0 South of Houston, Texas Mar 11, 2006 #9 I have been extremely impressed with the Martin Logan subwoofers and would consider them some of the best after some of the recent auditioning I did with the Depth and it uses 8" drivers. Sheep is half right, subwoofers can be designed to respond properly with little distortion, but Velodyne is not the only one that gets it right. IMO, many of the servo feedback subwoofers on the market are on the right track, especially the sealed enclosures or those using passive radiators.
I have been extremely impressed with the Martin Logan subwoofers and would consider them some of the best after some of the recent auditioning I did with the Depth and it uses 8" drivers. Sheep is half right, subwoofers can be designed to respond properly with little distortion, but Velodyne is not the only one that gets it right. IMO, many of the servo feedback subwoofers on the market are on the right track, especially the sealed enclosures or those using passive radiators.
patnshan Senior Audioholic Jan 18, 2005 673 0 0 Muskego, WI Mar 12, 2006 #10 Sheep said: *buzzer sound* Wrong. A large woofer can "react" (don't say slow, it hurts us all) just as fast as an 8inch, all you need to do it design it properly. Larger magnet, Bigger voice coil, More powerful Amp. Its simple, but only Velodyne actually does it right. SheepStar Click to expand... OK. I knew I've heard that before, not sure where. I did find this article that seems to sum up what you said in more detail: http://www.soundstage.com/maxdb/maxdb061999.htm Thanks, Pat Reactions: Sheep
Sheep said: *buzzer sound* Wrong. A large woofer can "react" (don't say slow, it hurts us all) just as fast as an 8inch, all you need to do it design it properly. Larger magnet, Bigger voice coil, More powerful Amp. Its simple, but only Velodyne actually does it right. SheepStar Click to expand... OK. I knew I've heard that before, not sure where. I did find this article that seems to sum up what you said in more detail: http://www.soundstage.com/maxdb/maxdb061999.htm Thanks, Pat
zipper Full Audioholic Jan 23, 2004 499 0 18 Dark Side of the Moon Mar 12, 2006 #11 One thing I noticed when searching for a sub was that I didn't find many smaller subs that would reach below 30Hz. I'd love to add a ML sub to my system but I'd have to question myself as to whether I could do just as well w/o paying ML prices.
One thing I noticed when searching for a sub was that I didn't find many smaller subs that would reach below 30Hz. I'd love to add a ML sub to my system but I'd have to question myself as to whether I could do just as well w/o paying ML prices.
Sheep Audioholic Warlord May 19, 2005 9,781 0 113 39 Vancouver, BC Mar 12, 2006 #12 patnshan said: OK. I knew I've heard that before, not sure where. I did find this article that seems to sum up what you said in more detail: http://www.soundstage.com/maxdb/maxdb061999.htm Thanks, Pat Click to expand... Good find! That will come in handy with the subwoofer questions! SheepStar
patnshan said: OK. I knew I've heard that before, not sure where. I did find this article that seems to sum up what you said in more detail: http://www.soundstage.com/maxdb/maxdb061999.htm Thanks, Pat Click to expand... Good find! That will come in handy with the subwoofer questions! SheepStar
F fredejo Junior Audioholic Nov 15, 2005 86 0 0 florida Mar 12, 2006 #13 this is a little off subject, but what about JL's new subs, they are known for SQ, house shaking bass, & are in the martin logan price range. 4" of throw cant be bad... sorry, i have been looking at JL, ML, & velodyne myself....
this is a little off subject, but what about JL's new subs, they are known for SQ, house shaking bass, & are in the martin logan price range. 4" of throw cant be bad... sorry, i have been looking at JL, ML, & velodyne myself....
mulester7 Audioholic Samurai Apr 9, 2005 2,682 0 63 77 North Little Rock, Arkansas Mar 12, 2006 #14 zipper said: One thing I noticed when searching for a sub was that I didn't find many smaller subs that would reach below 30Hz. I'd love to add a ML sub to my system but I'd have to question myself as to whether I could do just as well w/o paying ML prices. Click to expand... .....Zipper, a sub has a high range, and a low range that it's graded on, at least in my view....Martin Logan subs use 10 and 8 inch elements exclusively, and stand to have a very good and tight high range "voice" because of the 10 and 8 inch elements....in the Descent and Depth models, they use three 10 and 8 inch elements to achieve the low range response....there's no doubt in my mind those two models would be very good to use in a system, but good grief, look at the price....and I WILL have two subs up front in my system, so considering Martin Logan Descent's or Depth's at a pair, now look at THAT price....subs are wonderful, sure, but they should "only" be viewed as an extension of the main's regiment....I've said it many times, and here it is again....were I to have to start over, I would get two SVS PB10's and be done with it for under a grand to my door....I would get the tight high range "voice" with 10 inch elements, and the low end down to 18 cycles from a slightly oversized box....lastly, get the right main's regiment speakers that are solid down to 50-60 hz, and the job of the subs is made easier, but subs should only be viewed as an extension....
zipper said: One thing I noticed when searching for a sub was that I didn't find many smaller subs that would reach below 30Hz. I'd love to add a ML sub to my system but I'd have to question myself as to whether I could do just as well w/o paying ML prices. Click to expand... .....Zipper, a sub has a high range, and a low range that it's graded on, at least in my view....Martin Logan subs use 10 and 8 inch elements exclusively, and stand to have a very good and tight high range "voice" because of the 10 and 8 inch elements....in the Descent and Depth models, they use three 10 and 8 inch elements to achieve the low range response....there's no doubt in my mind those two models would be very good to use in a system, but good grief, look at the price....and I WILL have two subs up front in my system, so considering Martin Logan Descent's or Depth's at a pair, now look at THAT price....subs are wonderful, sure, but they should "only" be viewed as an extension of the main's regiment....I've said it many times, and here it is again....were I to have to start over, I would get two SVS PB10's and be done with it for under a grand to my door....I would get the tight high range "voice" with 10 inch elements, and the low end down to 18 cycles from a slightly oversized box....lastly, get the right main's regiment speakers that are solid down to 50-60 hz, and the job of the subs is made easier, but subs should only be viewed as an extension....
Sheep Audioholic Warlord May 19, 2005 9,781 0 113 39 Vancouver, BC Mar 12, 2006 #15 fredejo said: this is a little off subject, but what about JL's new subs, they are known for SQ, house shaking bass, & are in the martin logan price range. 4" of throw cant be bad... sorry, i have been looking at JL, ML, & velodyne myself.... Click to expand... The JL subs are EXPENSIVE! I would rather recommed an Hsu or SVS subwoofer. Plus, I want to see numbers on them. All they have is (bogus)power ratings. SheepStar
fredejo said: this is a little off subject, but what about JL's new subs, they are known for SQ, house shaking bass, & are in the martin logan price range. 4" of throw cant be bad... sorry, i have been looking at JL, ML, & velodyne myself.... Click to expand... The JL subs are EXPENSIVE! I would rather recommed an Hsu or SVS subwoofer. Plus, I want to see numbers on them. All they have is (bogus)power ratings. SheepStar
Buckeyefan 1 Audioholic Ninja Feb 24, 2005 4,983 0 63 TBDBITL Mar 12, 2006 #16 Sheep said: The JL subs are EXPENSIVE! I would rather recommed an Hsu or SVS subwoofer. Plus, I want to see numbers on them. All they have is (bogus)power ratings. SheepStar Click to expand... Why would short term RMS power be bogus? Without knowing specific specs, they could state anything right now. Those subs are only supposed to go down to 22Hz from what I've read.
Sheep said: The JL subs are EXPENSIVE! I would rather recommed an Hsu or SVS subwoofer. Plus, I want to see numbers on them. All they have is (bogus)power ratings. SheepStar Click to expand... Why would short term RMS power be bogus? Without knowing specific specs, they could state anything right now. Those subs are only supposed to go down to 22Hz from what I've read.
Sheep Audioholic Warlord May 19, 2005 9,781 0 113 39 Vancouver, BC Mar 13, 2006 #17 Buckeyefan 1 said: Why would short term RMS power be bogus? Without knowing specific specs, they could state anything right now. Those subs are only supposed to go down to 22Hz from what I've read. Click to expand... 3800WRMS short term? NOPE! Not possible. SheepStar
Buckeyefan 1 said: Why would short term RMS power be bogus? Without knowing specific specs, they could state anything right now. Those subs are only supposed to go down to 22Hz from what I've read. Click to expand... 3800WRMS short term? NOPE! Not possible. SheepStar
T TAINT Audiophyte Feb 7, 2006 7 0 0 Mar 13, 2006 #18 Sheep said: 3800WRMS short term? NOPE! Not possible. SheepStar Click to expand... It would light up like a light bulb. I don't listen to light bulbs, so I can't comment on their SQ.
Sheep said: 3800WRMS short term? NOPE! Not possible. SheepStar Click to expand... It would light up like a light bulb. I don't listen to light bulbs, so I can't comment on their SQ.
mulester7 Audioholic Samurai Apr 9, 2005 2,682 0 63 77 North Little Rock, Arkansas Mar 13, 2006 #19 TAINT said: I don't listen to light bulbs, so I can't comment on their SQ. Click to expand... .....Taint, even if you did, a review using blindfolds while listening to light bulbs would be found and your comment would be branded irrelevant.....
TAINT said: I don't listen to light bulbs, so I can't comment on their SQ. Click to expand... .....Taint, even if you did, a review using blindfolds while listening to light bulbs would be found and your comment would be branded irrelevant.....
F fredejo Junior Audioholic Nov 15, 2005 86 0 0 florida Mar 14, 2006 #20 sheep - you recommend hsu or svs, but u have a velodyne sub (good review by the way), any reason u went velodyne over svs??? was that velodyne better than the svs's in the same price range? (i am down to either a velodyne spl1200 or an svs.)
sheep - you recommend hsu or svs, but u have a velodyne sub (good review by the way), any reason u went velodyne over svs??? was that velodyne better than the svs's in the same price range? (i am down to either a velodyne spl1200 or an svs.)
