mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
we imagine something; we build it; we imagine a way to measure it; we now doubt the validity of our imagination in preference for the measurement devices we imagined.

Passive bi-amping results in zero-EMF leakage, since the lowpass and highpass networks are completely isolated from each other.
Perhaps you can explain then what you mean by zero EMF leakage that apparently happens without bi amping and what are the caused audible detriments and benefits?

As to imagining, yes, perception can be imagine based. Hence, the dreaded DBT protocol to get accurate perceptions. Has this been done for bi-wiring? Where, by whom, results can be accessed where?
Also, what do you measure differently by bi-wiring?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Since current draw is different, power in each set of speaker cables is different. It's subtle, but it's there.
So what is the detriments of having different current draws in the wires? After all, it is all frequency driven current. You have different current draws at all the different frequencies passed, no matter what. Not sure what you are driving at.
 
Kolia

Kolia

Full Audioholic
bi-wiring looks so much cooler! Like, "there's so much power going to these speakers, I need double the cables to handle it!" (From my 50W NAD T743 of course). :D

Just like the stickers on my car makes it go faster... :cool:
 
snickelfritz

snickelfritz

Junior Audioholic
Perhaps you can explain then what you mean by zero EMF leakage that apparently happens without bi amping and what are the caused audible detriments and benefits?
I guess the most concise way to express it would be to say that EMF is the conversion of resonances in the woofer motor to voltage.
If this voltage is fed into the high pass filter, it will modulate the source signal to some degree, and will, after being filtered by the highpass network, be reproduced by the midrange driver.

Since this voltage is not a part of the source signal it will degrade the quality of upperbass/lower midrange reproduction to some degree.
How much depends on the speaker design, and will vary with the type of program material you feed it.

The audibility of the degradation would also depend on the quality of the lower midrange/upper bass reproduction capabilities of your speaker system.
Major flaws in this range, due to placement or speaker design will probably swamp the effects of EMF. (you can't hear a whisper in a hurricane)
Speakers that have very smooth response in this range, and are properly positioned in the room to minimize ringing and coloration in this range, might be audibly degraded by EMF.

Connecting the lowpass and highpass networks to separate amplifiers will completely remove EMF as a variable in the performance of the crossover network, since the networks will then be electrically disconnected and will not interact.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I guess the most concise way to express it would be to say that EMF is the conversion of resonances in the woofer motor to voltage.
If this voltage is fed into the high pass filter, it will modulate the source signal to some degree, and will, after being filtered by the highpass network, be reproduced by the midrange driver.

Since this voltage is not a part of the source signal it will degrade the quality of upperbass/lower midrange reproduction to some degree.
How much depends on the speaker design, and will vary with the type of program material you feed it.

The audibility of the degradation would also depend on the quality of the lower midrange/upper bass reproduction capabilities of your speaker system.
Major flaws in this range, due to placement or speaker design will probably swamp the effects of EMF. (you can't hear a whisper in a hurricane)
Speakers that have very smooth response in this range, and are properly positioned in the room to minimize ringing and coloration in this range, might be audibly degraded by EMF.

Connecting the lowpass and highpass networks to separate amplifiers will completely remove EMF as a variable in the performance of the crossover network, since the networks will then be electrically disconnected and will not interact.

So, then, do I understand you correctly that you are indeed talking about Back EMF?
If so, then a lot has been written about that by knowledgeable folks on the net:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.high-end/msg/9e25180f03c7f4f9?q=author:DPierce@world.std.com+back+emf&start=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&rnum=12

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.tech/msg/9febaf18ece9484b?q=author:DPierce@world.std.com+back+emf&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&rnum=4

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.tech/msg/71ca95c6df065c24?q=author:DPierce@world.std.com+back+emf&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&rnum=1

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.high-end/msg/5ac53c1befc02746?q=author:DPierce@world.std.com+back+emf&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&rnum=5

I don't think I will lose any sleep over this issue.
 
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