Best Floorstand Speakers for Music 2009-2010; Buged $1000

[AcuDefTechGuy]

You have this backwards my friend. I suspect a typo snuck in this post.

I don't get it...

Are you just messing around?

Direct Mode/Pure Direct Mode means that the source is unaltered, hence the name "PURE".

Everyone knows that.

That's Audioholics 101!

 

[timoteo]

as far as Yamaha & Denon I prefer Denon because from my experience it gives my B&Ws a very pleasing yet dynamic in its range. However my favorite shop I go to for my B&W needs, there is a guy there who absolutely loves Yamaha with B&W. Its his favorite! So it really is gonna be up to you. The way I see it...Denon & B&W are both a "warmer" sounding product. Yamaha is going to be a little "brighter" if you will. So you may want to combine a bright&warm combo so it levels things out & you get the best of both worlds!...?

Oh the questions & concerns we bother ourselves with right?

Remember too...the speakers you choos are going to make the biggest difference. The reciever not as much. It will have a slight sound signature but not a major on once calibrated correctly!!!

 

[3db]

If you are using PURE DIRECT or DIRECT mode, then the sound will be the same - UNCOLORED/UNALTERED.

Now if you use ROOM EQ or DSPs or other TONES, then yeah, some modes may be "warmer" than others.

If you use EQ, the sound will be more neutral than warmer because of the room correction doing its work. Warmer implies rolled off frequency response on the high end. Unless dealing with Klipsch that is and the directivity of the horn.

If you use pure direct, all you hear is the speaker and you wll hear more readily, differences among the speakers tested.

 

[3db]

as far as Yamaha & Denon I prefer Denon because from my experience it gives my B&Ws a very pleasing yet dynamic in its range. However my favorite shop I go to for my B&W needs, there is a guy there who absolutely loves Yamaha with B&W. Its his favorite! So it really is gonna be up to you. The way I see it...Denon & B&W are both a "warmer" sounding product. Yamaha is going to be a little "brighter" if you will. So you may want to combine a bright&warm combo so it levels things out & you get the best of both worlds!...?

Oh the questions & concerns we bother ourselves with right?

Remember too...the speakers you choos are going to make the biggest difference. The reciever not as much. It will have a slight sound signature but not a major on once calibrated correctly!!!

Yamaha being bright is one of those old wives tails still being propogated out in audio land. It simply isn't true. Bright indicates that the higher frequencies are more emphasized which would mean a rise in output at the higher frequencies. If one compares the frequency response curves of Denon and Yamaha, they're pretty well ruler flat well beyond the range of hearing. I don't know how anyone can equate "brightness" with that kind of frequency response.

 

[caper26]

These speakers might fit your bill: Energy RC-30 for $199 ea. Don't be fooled by the price...the RC line is being discontinued and the value of this speaker is much higher and not reflective of the price...

You may want to check out the RC-50 and the top model: RC-70 for deals around the net....

 

[its phillip]

sholling posted that sellout.woot.com has the RC-70s for $400ea + $5 shipping which is an amazing deal

 

[Warpdrv]

If you use EQ, the sound will be more neutral than warmer because of the room correction doing its work. Warmer implies rolled off frequency response on the high end. Unless dealing with Klipsch that is and the directivity of the horn.

If you use pure direct, all you hear is the speaker and you wll hear more readily, differences among the speakers tested.

Right on 3db, pure direct is all fine and good, but if your room excites various freq ranges or kills freq in the listening position then one will not be hearing the material the way it was meant to be heard....

Room correction has caught on because it does the right thing for the material.
Not every room correction is perfect, but its getting better and better as time goes on and offers an important step forward for listeners... It also makes less expensive speakers sound better then they would normally be labeled.

 

[caper26]

sholling posted that sellout.woot.com has the RC-70s for $400ea + $5 shipping which is an amazing deal

I was just coming back here to post this same info...This is the lowest I have ever seen them go for... MSRP is approx $1500 Canadian EACH....

 

[its phillip]

Yeah, I really really really want them.

 

[3db]

Right on 3db, pure direct is all fine and good, but if your room excites various freq ranges or kills freq in the listening position then one will not be hearing the material the way it was meant to be heard....

Room correction has caught on because it does the right thing for the material.
Not every room correction is perfect, but its getting better and better as time goes on and offers an important step forward for listeners... It also makes less expensive speakers sound better then they would normally be labeled.

Agreed in principle but for the reason of auditioning just to see what the speaker is capable of, go direct mode.

When I listen in two channel be it CD or vinyl, I run pure direct mode as I like the sound of my system in its current room. That could change drastically if I moved it to another however.

 

[Warpdrv]

Agreed in principle but for the reason of auditioning just to see what the speaker is capable of, go direct mode.

When I listen in two channel be it CD or vinyl, I run pure direct mode as I like the sound of my system in its current room. That could change drastically if I moved it to another however.

No question, hard to expect the dealer to have every speaker setup with room correction.... Damn near impossible... One would hope that the dealer would at least have designed a decent room for the speakers to shine...

 

[billy p]

I was just coming back here to post this same info...This is the lowest I have ever seen them go for... MSRP is approx $1500 Canadian EACH....

Yeah...that is over 50% off retail....around here they sometimes sold for 600 each and MSRP~ 2500.00/pr...

 

[moreira85]

The Boston VR3 is rated down to 35hz and should be fine without a sub. But like any rear ported speaker needs 18-24" behind it and at least 2 feet to the nearest side wall.

I own the VR3s. I love them but can't see using them without a sub. (Then again I have an SVS). They are very detailed and precise. I also have large 24x16 w vaulted ceiling.

 

[sholling]

I own the VR3s. I love them but can't see using them without a sub. (Then again I have an SVS). They are very detailed and precise. I also have large 24x16 w vaulted ceiling.

That's personal choice. It's always nice to have a subwoofer - especially for movies or when you have speakers that won't go low but there is very little music below 40hz and the VR3s play strong that low. However if you're aware of an $800-1000/pr speaker that sounds as good as the VR3 and puts out deeper and more powerful bass please let the OP know. All that I'm aware of are at least twice that price if not more.

 

[moreira85]

That's personal choice. It's always nice to have a subwoofer - especially for movies or when you have speakers that won't go low but there is very little music below 40hz and the VR3s play strong that low. However if you're aware of an $800-1000/pr speaker that sounds as good as the VR3 and puts out deeper and more powerful bass please let the OP know. All that I'm aware of are at least twice that price if not more.

I agree. I would not trade mine .

 

[danitim77]

thank you

Hi Guys … I just wanted to thank you all for your inputs ! I just bought from Craig’s list a Boston Vr3 system for $450. I probably would have got the B&W but this was a good deal. They look like new!
Front Speakers Vr3
Central CRC7
Surrounds VRX
Sub PV500
The sound is very clear and sounds really good but it is little bright in my opinion. I do not see it neutral at all. The male voices are higher then normality. Some low frec from male voices are missing. All male that seems to be tenors. I played in few bands different instruments … I can feel the male voices little alter, the same with some instruments. So I am thinking to sell the system and get the B&W . Anyway … thank you all …

 

[sholling]

Hi Guys … I just wanted to thank you all for your inputs ! I just bought from Craig’s list a Boston Vr3 system for $450. I probably would have got the B&W but this was a good deal. They look like new!
Front Speakers Vr3
Central CRC7
Surrounds VRX
Sub PV500
The sound is very clear and sounds really good but it is little bright in my opinion. I do not see it neutral at all. The male voices are higher then normality. Some low frec from male voices are missing. All male that seems to be tenors. I played in few bands different instruments … I can feel the male voices little alter, the same with some instruments. So I am thinking to sell the system and get the B&W . Anyway … thank you all …

It sounds like a problem with those speakers or the way they are EQed. BTW that center is not a good match. The VRC is the correct match.

 

[zieglj01]

I am also concerned about the crossover between the sub and speakers.
Also, if the speakers have been modified. I do not recall, tenor like male
voices from these speakers.

 

[GranteedEV]

Right on 3db, pure direct is all fine and good, but if your room excites various freq ranges or kills freq in the listening position then one will not be hearing the material the way it was meant to be heard...

Yet some speakers aren't made for particularily treated rooms, stuff like the Orion and the Summa are supposed to sound fine in many rooms, bass standing waves notwithstanding (LOL PUN). It's all a matter of getting uniform power response, isn't it?

 

[sholling]

I am also concerned about the crossover between the sub and speakers.
Also, if the speakers have been modified. I do not recall, tenor like male
voices from these speakers.

No the speakers are either hosed or EQed poorly.