Best Bookshelf Speakers Under $2000? Again...

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shadyJ

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I've looked at the LV12-R, but unfortunately it comes with only vinyl finishes and it has to look slightly better than that. The Outlaw LFM-1 EX looks nice with the glass top, so do the piano black Rythmik 15 inchers, and the HSUs. But they are all just too big! I need a sub with all dimmensions under 20". I'm planning to start with a piano gloss SB12-NSD and then add a second one later on.

The Soundfield monitors are also out of the question due to size.
The Hsu ULS-15 is basically a 18" cube.
 
monkish54

monkish54

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What SPL are you looking to achieve in your 3000^3ft room?

How far from the loudspeakers will you be sitting? How far will they be in-room? How far from the side walls?

I can't properly recommend a loudspeaker without knowing how loudly it must play and how it will be placed. :D

Have you already purchased the 100W amplifier? What's the model number? How many WPC is it rated with a 4 ohm load?
 
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jinjuku

jinjuku

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Room size is approximately 3000 cubic feet. The speakers will go on Sound Anchor 24" filled stands.
With stands is there any reason you aren't looking at floor standers? that would open up some purchase options.
 
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TheStalker

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With stands is there any reason you aren't looking at floor standers? that would open up some purchase options.
Slim towers would also be OK. I did take a look at the B&W CM8s for example. I guess I'm not looking for high SPLs, but rather better sound quality. It seems that for the same price, one can almost always get a bookshelf speaker from one line up, comparing to a floorstander.

I see a lot of people are recommending ID companies. I did choose to go ID for a subwoofer, because it's just simply the best deal to performance ratio. But I'm not so sure when it comes to loudspeakers.

A lot of the new releases from major manufacturers now feature curved cabinets, waveguides, etc. in their designs. Something that is still not readily available from similarly priced ID speakers.

I had the pleasure to listen to the new Sonus Faber Venere 1.5 speakers and they sounded fabulous. They had intricate curved and slanted cabinets to eliminate standing waves, premium gloss finish, glass tops, dual binding posts, magnetic grills, waveguides (even though they're only good to about 6kHz), pretty sophisticated crossovers with Bennic grade parts, in-house made drivers using DMK and Curv diaphragms (similar to Seas), 5 year warranty, etc. And all for $1200 retail at Magnolia, who are willing to sell at an additional 10-15% off. That is just an insane deal. Same thing could be said for the new Performa3 line from Revel and their M105 bookshelfs.

The B&W CM line of speakers use Mundorf capacitors in their crossovers! And feature drivers with very complex motors/chambers/vents and extremely well braced cabinets.

Sound is always the most important part, but at this price, engineering, style, and quality of parts is also very important to me.
 
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TheStalker

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Do you seek neutrality or a pleasant sound?
I'm all for good measuring speakers, but they have to evoke some sort of feeling/connection to music. I would be OK with a somewhat rough measuring speaker which for whatever reason(s) sounds great. But I would not be OK with a great measuring speaker to which I just cannot establish an emotional connection with.
 
monkish54

monkish54

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I'm all for good measuring speakers, but they have to evoke some sort of feeling/connection to music. I would be OK with a somewhat rough measuring speaker which for whatever reason sounds great. But I would not be OK with a great measuring speaker to which I just cannot establish an emotional connection with.
Fair enough, then my advice to you is to simply demo everything you can. I can't recommend a speaker that you will have an emotional connection with. :)
 
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monkish54

monkish54

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The two are not mutually exclusive. Unless you are playing a poorly mastered tune.
I don't disagree. One would hope that a neutral speaker is capable of bringing joy. I should have used the phrase "artificially pleasant sound". Regardless, the OP understood what I was asking. :)
 
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Dennis Murphy

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If a speaker reproduces the program music accurately, and the music is emotionally involving, the speakers will be also. Accurate speakers aren't "sterile" or "cold" or overly analytical-they just pass on the emotion that's present in the music and performance.
 
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monkish54

monkish54

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If a speaker reproduces the program music accurately, and the music is emotionally involving, the speakers will be also. Accurate speakers aren't "sterile" or "cold" or overly analytically--they just pass on the emotion that's present in the music and performance.
You will hear no argument from me. Excuse my poor choice of words. :)
 
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Dennis Murphy

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You will hear no argument from me. Excuse my poor choice of words. :)
My comments weren't directed at you. Sorry, I should have included the relevant quote. Has Del started on your cabinets yet?
 
monkish54

monkish54

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My comments weren't directed at you. Sorry, I should have included the relevant quote. Has Del started on your cabinets yet?
Nope, and it's all your fault! ;) :p :D Del has 5 Phil 3 orders and a custom order in line before me.

I have to write him a check and I'm working on another sketch just to be precise. He knows exactly what I want, but I want everything to be easy so I am drawing a sketch with the correct dimensions and driver spacing. The sketch will be done before he is finished with the other cabinets.

The cabinet will include a removable back on the woofer and midrange enclosure so I can add some sorbothane at home.

My cabinet is going to look rather familiar to you, Dennis. It's going to look somewhat similar to this:

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Here is what the mid/bass cabinet will look like (except with 2 vertical dowels in the midrange enclosure, and some diagonal dowels in the bass enclosure. I have to add the front to back dowels at home. There will be sorbothane attached to the divider on the bass side):

 
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monkish54

monkish54

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FWIW, OP, I recommend you hear the KEF R300 if you have not already. That's what I would go with. Although, if high SPLs are required, I'm not sure they will get loud enough. Check out the R700 if you can afford the space. :)
 
macddmac

macddmac

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Re: the R300's.. There was a pair on audiogon last night for 1000.00- 4 months old.
Cheers, Mac
 
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shadyJ

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Although, if high SPLs are required, I'm not sure they will get loud enough.
If high SPLs are required, look at the Klipsch Palladium P-17s. You can sometimes get used pairs for near $2k like these. Their off-axis measurements are pretty good:
 
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TheStalker

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I'm going to look into some ID speaker manufacturers, you guys got my curiosity. Here are some that I know, any other recommendations?

Philharmonic (Philharmonitor $850)
NHT (Absolute Zero/Classic Two/Classic Three $400/$630/$900)
Usher (S-520/X-718 $480/$1260)
Ascend (Sierra-1 $1320)
SVS (Ultra Bookshelf $1000)
Vapor Audio (Breeze/Stiff Breeze $1400/$1900)
Swan (D2.1SE/D3.1 $1800/$1120)
Selah
Axiom (M2 v3/M3 v3/M22 v3 $340/$380/$520)
Tekton (Model 65t $600)
Salk Sound (SongSurround I/SongSurround II/WOW1/Ellis 1801b/MBOW1/CAOW1/Continuum $900/$1500/$1200/$2000/$1000/$1000/$1300)
Anthony Gallo Acoustics (Classico CL-1/Classico CL-2 $500/$800)
EMPtek (E5Bi $225)
Aperion Audio (Intimus 5B/Versus Forte/Versus Grand $375/$450/$700)
HSU (HB-1 MK2 $380)
Emotiva (XRM-6.1 $350)
Boston Acoustics (A 26/A 25/M25/CS 26 II $400/$300/$800/$300)
Klipsch (RB-81 II/RB-61 II/RB-51 II/B-20 $850/$550/$420/$280)
Bose (301/201 $660/$420)
Polk Audio
Infinity
JBL
Sony
Pioneer
 
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macddmac

macddmac

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RBH- (same umbrella EMPtek and Status acoustics) not an ID company but they make a monitor worth a looking into, the 61se/r
read the review on the main AH site
Cheers, Mac
 
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shadyJ

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If you are really up to spending a good $2k on some bookshelf speakers, check this kit out. You will have to either build or buy the cabinet separately. You can get a cabinet for it here, or get a local cabinet maker to build one to spec. Anyway, the measurements for that speaker are impeccable. That should sound excellent.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

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Here is my input:

Philharmonic (Philharmonitor $850) -- I just bought a pair and love them!
NHT (Absolute Zero/Classic Two/Classic Three $400/$630/$900) -- Good Choice
Usher (S-520/X-718 $480/$1260) -- Dunno
Ascend (Sierra-1 $1320) -- Good Choice
SVS (Ultra Bookshelf $1000) -- Probably Good Choice
Vapor Audio (Breeze/Stiff Breeze $1400/$1900) -- Dunno
Swan (D2.1SE/D3.1 $1800/$1120) -- Heard good stuff about them
Selah -- Dunno
Axiom (M2 v3/M3 v3/M22 v3 $340/$380/$520) --NO, NO, NO
Tekton (Model 65t $600) -- No, No, No
Salk Sound (SongSurround I/SongSurround II/WOW1/Ellis 1801b/MBOW1/CAOW1/Continuum $900/$1500/$1200/$2000/$1000/$1000/$1300) -- Good Choice
Anthony Gallo Acoustics (Classico CL-1/Classico CL-2 $500/$800) -- Probably Good
EMPtek (E5Bi $225) -- Good Choice
Aperion Audio (Intimus 5B/Versus Forte/Versus Grand $375/$450/$700) -- Probably good
HSU (HB-1 MK2 $380) -- Probably Good
Emotiva (XRM-6.1 $350) -- Probably Good
Boston Acoustics (A 26/A 25/M25/CS 26 II $400/$300/$800/$300) -- Probably Good
Klipsch (RB-81 II/RB-61 II/RB-51 II/B-20 $850/$550/$420/$280) -- Meh, better out there
Bose (301/201 $660/$420) -- No, No, No
Polk Audio -- No, No, No
Infinity -- Good for the $
JBL -- Maybe / Probably a good choice
Sony No, No, No
Pioneer Good for the $
 
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