Best 2-5 Year Old Model Receiver under $600 today???

bizmord

bizmord

Full Audioholic
Hi guys .... so my current set up is ...

A/V Receiver - Yamaha rx-v465
L/R - Ascend Sierra-1 NrT
Center - Ascend Sierra-1 NrT
Surrounds - Ascend HTM-200
Sub - Rythmik F12
TV - Panasonic TH50PX60U (Plasma)
Blu-ray/DVD - Samsung BD-ES6000


My room acoustics are not great. Mostly empty walls, wood floors (i do have a big rug), 2 windows, speakers point into a leather couch and coffee table made of leather/glass. So .... not the greatest conditions.

My sound right now .... better for movies than when I play music. It could definitely be better.

Anyway, about the receiver.
I've been going back and forward with getting a better receiver or not. I don't want to pay $1,000 to get the latest bells and whistles. A friend of my keeps telling me that my current Yamaha rx-v465 is garbage for the quality speakers I use. He says amplification is horrible and with better receiver I'll clearly hear better sound for HT and music.

My question ...........
I feel like to solve my "problem", it's much smarter to go for a receiver that was AWESOME 2-5 years ago. That way I can get a $1600 for under $600 these days. The question is .... which receiver should I get?

I hate manuals and since I am more familiar with Yamaha receivers I am leaning towards Yamaha RX-V3800 or $300 more for Yamaha Rx-A2010 ?

what about Pioneer Elite VSX 94TXH ... same price as RX-V3800.

Please advise.
Much appreciated.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Unless your receiver is having trouble adequately driving your speakers, replacing it with something else will be trivial as far as sound quality goes. I used to run a receiver that retails for about $600 with speakers retailing for over $6000. I replaced the receiver with one that retails for about $1700 because I wanted more (and newer) features. Unless I engage a feature that affects the sound, it sounds the same as before. Now, the newer receiver can put out about twice as much power as the old one, but since my speakers are an easy impedance and normal efficiency, I could play my system loud enough to be painful with crystal clarity with the old receiver, so the newer one's extra power is useless for me. But, if my speakers were more difficult to drive than they are, it could have mattered, but in that case, getting a separate power amplifier to drive them would likely have been far better.


From your description, it sounds like you need sound absorbing materials in your room. You know how when you go into an empty house, there is an echo? That is very bad for playing music, so it is a good thing to have paintings, tapestries, curtains, etc., on the walls to help prevent the echo. Bookshelves filled with books and other things also help. Even hard things in the room break up the sound from simply bouncing back and forth between the opposing walls and the floor and ceiling, so being sound absorbent is not essential for everything in the room.
 
STRONGBADF1

STRONGBADF1

Audioholic Spartan
As far as your receiver gos...I would call Ascend and ask if it can drive your speakers at the volume you listen to in a room the size that they are in. If not, ask which of the receivers you are looking at will work if any.

My bet is that you need acoustic and or setup help in your room to help music sound better.

People are usually more critical listening to music than movies.
 
bizmord

bizmord

Full Audioholic
Unless your receiver is having trouble adequately driving your speakers, replacing it with something else will be trivial as far as sound quality goes. I used to run a receiver that retails for about $600 with speakers retailing for over $6000. I replaced the receiver with one that retails for about $1700 because I wanted more (and newer) features. Unless I engage a feature that affects the sound, it sounds the same as before. Now, the newer receiver can put out about twice as much power as the old one, but since my speakers are an easy impedance and normal efficiency, I could play my system loud enough to be painful with crystal clarity with the old receiver, so the newer one's extra power is useless for me. But, if my speakers were more difficult to drive than they are, it could have mattered, but in that case, getting a separate power amplifier to drive them would likely have been far better.


From your description, it sounds like you need sound absorbing materials in your room. You know how when you go into an empty house, there is an echo? That is very bad for playing music, so it is a good thing to have paintings, tapestries, curtains, etc., on the walls to help prevent the echo. Bookshelves filled with books and other things also help. Even hard things in the room break up the sound from simply bouncing back and forth between the opposing walls and the floor and ceiling, so being sound absorbent is not essential for everything in the room.
100% room treatment, BUT, I plan on moving in the next 4-6 months, so i don't want to make changes to the room. Also, it's tough to find good looking sound absorption material to please the room aesthetics.

As far as your receiver gos...I would call Ascend and ask if it can drive your speakers at the volume you listen to in a room the size that they are in. If not, ask which of the receivers you are looking at will work if any.

My bet is that you need acoustic and or setup help in your room to help music sound better.

People are usually more critical listening to music than movies.
Ascend suggests 45 wats of power for my speakers, .... so current AVR is way lower than that when I play all channels.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
100% room treatment, BUT, I plan on moving in the next 4-6 months, so i don't want to make changes to the room. Also, it's tough to find good looking sound absorption material to please the room aesthetics.

...
If you have bad acoustics in your room and you are not willing to change anything, then you are just going to have bad sound. Your choices are to change the acoustics, or have bad sound. Which you do is up to you. There is no magic fix that will give you everything you want.
 
C

cschang

Audioholic Chief
I've been following your issue on the Ascend forum.

To satisfy your curiosity, maybe your friend has a receiver or amp you can borrow and try in your room. Or, maybe take the Sierras to his place and see how they sound...if you don't have issues at his place, then you at least know it is something in your setup/room.

That particular Yamaha is/was the lower end of their offerings. It may not be the actual amplification in the receiver that is the issue, but maybe something else...and I am curious as well, although it does seem like a room issue.
 
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lemonslush

Audiophyte
How about a new receiver? I recently picked up the Pioneer Sc-1522-K. It has all the bells and wistles 2 hdmi 1.4 outs, 130wattsx9 channels. its 4ohm stable, has air play and is new at Costco for $599. I compared it to my Yamaha rx-673 and Onkyo tx-nr515 and it really makes your speakers shine. That extra power is noticeable and has a real nice strong sound. More bass than the Yamaha and Onkyo did.
 

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