Bernie.........and to think he could have been President !

lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Seriously, I have no life.
That a lot different than capitalist bullshit? :)
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

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That a lot different than capitalist bullshit? :)
without capitalism where would the socialists get their money ?

on a serious note Bernie is nuts, why doesn't he push for serious tax reform, truly needed IMO
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Seriously, I have no life.
without capitalism where would the socialists get their money ?

on a serious note Bernie is nuts, why doesn't he push for serious tax reform, truly needed IMO
Bernie is nuts and drumphy is sane? Weird.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Protecting the bank accounts of the ultra-rich is more important than protecting the non-rich from COVID-19, I see.
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Field Marshall
Regardless , Bernies 'Robin Hood' stunt won't succeed and while I would like to see real tax reform I'm not going bet the farm on it either.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Seriously, I have no life.
Drumphy's insanity along with the other ugly republicans is much more important than worrying about ol' Bernie's proposals to counter the failed capitalism in this country.....we've already seen how stupid republican "tax reform" can be.
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
Protecting the bank accounts of the ultra-rich is more important than protecting the non-rich from COVID-19, I see.
Have you read this bill? I highly doubt it, so I recommend it, before implying your support. It's not a serious bill, it's a 17 page piece of silliness that includes concepts that have never had broad support, like mark to market valuation for recognizing equity market gains, and determining who is and is not a real billionaire, as in the infrastructure for a general wealth tax. And this whole scheme seems to have been cooked up by those two foolish Berkeley professors, Saez and Zuckman, who were behind Sanders' and Warren's wealth tax proposals, as they're quoted on Bernie's website. (It went so well for Warren she came in third in the primary in her own state, just slightly ahead of Bloomberg.) I've read some really dumb, naive congressional bills before, but this one may be the dumbest, poorly written, and most poorly conceived of I've seen yet.

I'm just glad I don't live in California anymore, so my tax dollars aren't partially funding Saez, Zuckman, and that other fool, Robert Reich.

And BTW, these taxes wouldn't be paid out of bank accounts, they'd be paid by the target individuals selling hundreds of billions of dollars of equities on the open market in a short time frame. How do you think that would affect the rest of us who would actually miss the certain substantial loss in the value of our investments? Or are you and @lovinthehd so intent on satisfying your need to watch the ultra-successful brought down tens of billions of notches that you don't care about secondary or tertiary effects on the economy and the rest of us in general?
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Spartan
Haha!!!! Bernie for president...
I’d rather elect my own senile grandpa.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Have you read this bill? I highly doubt it, so I recommend it, before implying your support. It's not a serious bill, it's a 17 page piece of silliness that includes concepts that have never had broad support, like mark to market valuation for recognizing equity market gains, and determining who is and is not a real billionaire, as in the infrastructure for a general wealth tax. And this whole scheme seems to have been cooked up by those two foolish Berkeley professors, Saez and Zuckman, who were behind Sanders' and Warren's wealth tax proposals, as they're quoted on Bernie's website. (It went so well for Warren she came in third in the primary in her own state, just slightly ahead of Bloomberg.) I've read some really dumb, naive congressional bills before, but this one may be the dumbest, poorly written, and most poorly conceived of I've seen yet.

I'm just glad I don't live in California anymore, so my tax dollars aren't partially funding Saez, Zuckman, and that other fool, Robert Reich.

And BTW, these taxes wouldn't be paid out of bank accounts, they'd be paid by the target individuals selling hundreds of billions of dollars of equities on the open market in a short time frame. How do you think that would affect the rest of us who would actually miss the certain substantial loss in the value of our investments? Or are you and @lovinthehd so intent on satisfying your need to watch the ultra-successful brought down tens of billions of notches that you don't care about secondary or tertiary effects on the economy and the rest of us in general?
This bill is just grandstanding without a prayer of passing. I was commenting on the OP's concern about this inconsequential piece of bluster when right now lives are being destroyed due to political mismanagement. Who could possibly care about an immaterial bill in the face of the present disaster? It is insane partisanship to worry about some hypothetical far-left policy proposal given the scope of this very real catastrophe caused by Republican incompetence. Even if this bill had a serious chance of passing, its worst side effects could never match the damage currently being caused by the Republican party.
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
This bill is just grandstanding without a prayer of passing. I was commenting on the OP's concern about this inconsequential piece of bluster when right now lives are being destroyed due to political mismanagement. Who could possibly care about an immaterial bill in the face of the present disaster? It is insane partisanship to worry about some hypothetical far-left policy proposal given the scope of this very real catastrophe caused by Republican incompetence. Even if this bill had a serious chance of passing, its worst side effects could never match the damage currently being caused by the Republican party.
Calm yourself. Mikado463 was just making fun of Comrade Bernie, and I do all the time because he deserves it. Mikado463 didn't say anything in support of Republicans or Trump, and neither did I. You, on the other hand, are off on another one of your tirades, implying that anyone who happens to say anything not in support of some leftist for-the-people agenda also supports the current crop of Republicans, Trump, Trickle-Down Economics, or whatever other dumb-ass policy you happen to dislike too. Mikado said he wishes for meaningful tax reform, and so do I, and I'd suspect he'd also support rational healthcare reform (which is desperately needed), and various other changes in current laws and policies that would certainly do the country and almost everyone in it a lot of good. But if you think anything that is anti-Republican or anti-Trump is worthy of support just because it's anti, get a life. I suspect there are a lot of us who are not going to support new stupidity just because you want a change from the old stupidity at any cost.
 
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Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Field Marshall
This bill is just grandstanding without a prayer of passing. I was commenting on the OP's concern about this inconsequential piece of bluster when right now lives are being destroyed due to political mismanagement.
Shady, I'm well aware of our nations COVID situation and so should the majority of Americans regardless of their 'party affiliation'. As for lives being 'destroyed', myself and what I want to believe, the majority of us are doing the right things to minimize our risks. Stupidity lies on both sides of the isle and if you don't believe that you obviously lie within the stupidity sector.
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Field Marshall
Have you read this bill? I highly doubt it, so I recommend it, before implying your support. It's not a serious bill, it's a 17 page piece of silliness that includes concepts that have never had broad support, like mark to market valuation for recognizing equity market gains, and determining who is and is not a real billionaire, as in the infrastructure for a general wealth tax. And this whole scheme seems to have been cooked up by those two foolish Berkeley professors, Saez and Zuckman, who were behind Sanders' and Warren's wealth tax proposals, as they're quoted on Bernie's website. (It went so well for Warren she came in third in the primary in her own state, just slightly ahead of Bloomberg.) I've read some really dumb, naive congressional bills before, but this one may be the dumbest, poorly written, and most poorly conceived of I've seen yet.

I'm just glad I don't live in California anymore, so my tax dollars aren't partially funding Saez, Zuckman, and that other fool, Robert Reich.

And BTW, these taxes wouldn't be paid out of bank accounts, they'd be paid by the target individuals selling hundreds of billions of dollars of equities on the open market in a short time frame. How do you think that would affect the rest of us who would actually miss the certain substantial loss in the value of our investments? Or are you and @lovinthehd so intent on satisfying your need to watch the ultra-successful brought down tens of billions of notches that you don't care about secondary or tertiary effects on the economy and the rest of us in general?
Bezos, wether you like him or not and regardless of his worth has created more jobs than Bernie Sanders ever has or ever will.

It always cracks me up when people spend more time venting their frustration on the wealthy when in fact they should pay more attention to their own endeavors.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Spartan
Bernie Sanders's failed candidacy was yesterday's old news before people knew how to spell COVID-19. Why bring it up now?

Doesn't The Bunker Boy of Pennsylvania Ave do enough to create irrelevant distractions? Does anyone care to comment on his "plan to reform taxes by eliminating the payroll tax", the same tax which provides revenue for Social Security and Medicare? He left unsaid that without the payroll tax he would have to eliminate both. I guess he thinks he can do those by writing more Executive Orders. (Remind Ivanka to order more Sharpie pens.)
 
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Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
Bernie Sanders's failed candidacy was yesterday's old news before people knew how to spell COVID-19. Why bring it up now?
Sanders, unlike Warren, is still a force to be reckoned with in the Democratic Party. Haven't you heard of The Unity Task Force?


Doesn't The Bunker Boy of Pennsylvania Ave do enough to create irrelevant distractions? Does anyone care to comment on his "plan to reform taxes by eliminating the payroll tax", the same tax which provides revenue for Social Security? He left unsaid that he also plans to eliminate Social Security. I guess he thinks he can do those by writing more Executive Orders. (Remind Ivanka to order more Sharpie pens.)
Hopefully, they are all declared unconstitutional, which is almost certainly the case. I especially like that idiotic unfunded mandate for the states on unemployment funding. So stupid. The Republicans need to get with the program and fund unemployment at the federal level for this crisis. I also enjoyed Trump's idiotic ask for $1.75B to fund a new FBI building in the bill. So dumb and inappropriate.
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Spartan
In all honesty, was Bernie ever really electable for President?
Frankly, neither was Hillary.
That they became the front runners was part design, and part fluke. But in a way, that's the sad thing about the electorate in the lead up to the nomination and election:
We Love A Good Show! :rolleyes:
(And yes, that includes Suspension Of Disbelief!)

Regardless, I don't really think Biden is a super strong candidate, either. But then again, the candidates I was pulling for aren't really electable either: too smart, wrong color, wrong genitals...

Americans aren't really interested in a leader so much as they are a game show host, it would seem. :confused:

And that's exactly what we got.

At least with W we knew who was the Boss in the Cabal behind him: Cheney, Rumsfeld et al.

Drumpfy's Chaos Factory is equal parts Nepotism, Self Serving, Sycophantic, and... where the HELL did Stephen Miller come from, anyway? I thought Rosemary's Baby was fiction!
 
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