Beginner to home theater setup

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RonaldB

Enthusiast
Hey guys, I have been researching and taking in as much information as I can, but could use some basic pointers from someone that has a bit more experience in the home theater arena.
Basically, I've always had some kind of surround sound system, but in the past they've always been HTIB type setups, and to be honest, they were always so crappy that I rarely even bothered to use them.
My wife and I bought our first house last summer, and I'm finally getting around to audio/video setup for the new place.
I have to admit, I've already burned through a little bit of equipment because some of my first purchases were a bit misguided (or at least ignorant on my part), and lacked some basic features that I didn't really understand the importance of at the time.
Anyway, I think I've finally gotten the basics worked out, and I wanted to bounce my thoughts off some smart people to see what your feedback is.

Originally, I bought a basic Denon AVR-X1000. To be honest, it was a huge upgrade from anything I've had in the past - the appropriate codecs for Dolby Digital, DTS, etc, were kind of an eye opener to me. I never realized what I was missing. However, the X1000 didn't have any preamp outputs, or multi-channel inputs, and the wattage rating on it was definitely generous (it didn't really seem to have much power). I didn't think I cared about those things when I started, but they eventually became a limitation. This happened pretty quickly to be honest.

So, I recently picked up an Anthem MRX-300 off eBay for $500 (free shipping). I had been considering the MRX-310 since there is actually an Anthem dealer about 15 miles from me, but given the difference in price, and the fact that Anthem has reduced the 310 to a 5.1 channel AVR, the 300 actually seemed like a pretty good deal. I'm hoping this is an AVR that I'll want to keep for quite some time.

With regard to the speakers, I have been gradually acquiring speakers as they go on sale at Newegg. By no means have I spent a ton of money. Everything I've gotten has been from Polk's monitor series (floorstanders and a center channel), plus two PSW110 subs.

As you can see, I have kind of been going in multiple directions at the same time.

Anyway, I was never happy with the sound of the Polk 65t's with the AVR-X1000. To be honest, they seemed a bit anemic and thin, and not just on the low end, but on the high end as well. What I found was that I was always having to crank up the volume to get any real sound quality, and this of course causes issues with the wife :D.

So, here's where I'm at with this today, and this is where I'm hoping that someone can chime in with a little knowledge on the subject.

In my opinion, I believe that part of the reason the Polks have seemed so thin is because they needed some more power behind them. On the one hand, I know these speakers aren't worth putting much money into, but on the other hand, my gut is telling me that a decent power amp from Rotel, Emotiva, or Parasound is probably a good investment either way. I've noticed that while you certainly _can_ spend thousands of dollars on a power amp, you don't necessarily have to as long as you're paying close attention to the specs, and you're buying on the used market.

So, I guess my question is this. Should I be looking to replace these speakers first and foremost, or is the general consensus that getting into a decent power amp is a good investment, then, in theory, I could just enjoy what I have for a while, and decide down the road if I'm still not happy with the speakers and want to upgrade?

I've certainly made some missteps here, as I'm sure many do when they're starting out, but I think I'm finally at a place in my life (and in my home) where I'm kinda done buying junk and then replacing it with more junk. Make sense?

For those that are interested, the room in question is about 11' W x 25' L, and it's a very difficult room arrangement to make work very well. One wall is basically all glass - french door and windows, the floors are hardwood, and unfortunately, the television is wall-mounted in the corner of the room with a sectional in the opposite corner. I can't put things in the center length wise because there's a hallway that opens into the room on the opposite side from the TV. (I'm sure this is probably hard to visualize).

What I do want... I want a little more punch to the audio. That is not to say I want to be blown out of the room with bass, more just that I want a bit more sense of impact/percussion (if that makes sense) to the sound.

Any thoughts/suggestions are appreciated!
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
The Anthem MRX 300 is not a big upgrade power wise - compared to the Denon

The Polk Monitor speakers are thin to begin with - they lack in good resolution

The Polk PSW-110 is a weak sub - and lacks in overall bass response.

I would think about changing the front speakers and the subwoofer
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Secret of success in HT - Getting 80% of budget to speakers and 20% to rest.
Secret of most typical HT Failure is doing the opposite

Dear Ronald, here's my advice get rid of Polk crud (you could leave polks for surround duty for now) and start getting good speakers. Worry about electronics later on
 
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RonaldB

Enthusiast
Thanks.. guess it gets down to the "you get what you pay for" thing. Makes sense.

I'm not too worried about the power output of the AVR since I always intended to add an external amp once I got the Anthem.

Any particular recommendations on some speakers that would not completely break the bank, but would offer better performance at a reasonable price point?

I am prepared to spend a little more money (can offload some of the other stuff to our resident college student who will be living off campus).

Really appreciate the input!
 
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RonaldB

Enthusiast
Can I do it for $1000 and still walk away with something reasonable?

And actually, come to think of it, there's no reason why I can't go a little at a time.
It's not like I don't have any speakers :)
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Hmmm, since you're looking for more punch : this sub will give you all punch you'd ever want:
VTF-15H Subwoofer

Speakers wise for now just experiment with bass management .
Make sure to set speakers to "small" and Start with crossover at 80hz and try to go up until you like what you hear and you can't hear the sub - just the music
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
If you can handle bookshelf speakers, at least for now > you can move them
to surrounds for later. Then look at the HSU Hybrid-3 2.1 package deal
Hybrid 3 Packages
 
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RonaldB

Enthusiast
That sub looks amazing. I bet it sounds even better than it looks. I'm certainly no expert, but the frequency response looks amazing vs. something like what I have now that can't go below I think somewhere in the neighborhood of 35-40Hz (on a good day).
 
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RonaldB

Enthusiast
Interesting. The cabinets on those look nicer than anything I've ever owned speaker wise. I might just go with something like this. Could get started and really be able to enjoy the system without going completely broke, then down the road shift them to the back and put something "bigger" up front (if I even need to in this small of a room).

That is a great suggestion. My gut is telling me this is not garbage stuff either, although I have to admit I'm not familiar with HSU. Will have to read up on them.
 
rojo

rojo

Audioholic Samurai
There's no center included in zieg's suggestion unless you go with the 3.1. Having a center channel that comes from the same series as your mains and matches their timbre is beneficial to your resulting sound.

I've got another alternative. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

2x Focal Chorus 714v

matching center channel

A 15" sub

This combo puts you about 150 over budget, but you would've been over with the Hsu combo with a center as well.

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RonaldB

Enthusiast
I have seen that Dayton Audio sub come up in several places. It was interesting to me, and obviously it's inexpensive, but I was worried that I'd end up with yet another sub that can't really reach very low, or that it would be muddy, etc. That may not be the case with this one - can't really say since I've never heard one personally.
I really appreciate everyone's responses. You're all saving me from flushing more money down the toilet. This time I'll end up with a decent set of speakers (not high-end, mind you), but something that is reasonable and worth the investment.
 
rojo

rojo

Audioholic Samurai
Well, the HSU is a much better sub than the Dayton. The Dayton has a weak-ish amp, the enclosure could use better bracing, and the driver is nothing special. A Hsu, SVS, Outlaw, Rhythmik or similar would be much more musical. On the other hand, the Dayton's F3 is 23Hz I believe, and it ought to move a lot of air just by the sheer size of the larger 15" driver. In other words, it's better than you have now, but you can still do much better. If you want to avoid upgrade-itis, then keep reading.

Your idea of replacing a little at a time is a good one i think. Devote a little more to the sub than the Dayton, and I think you'll be happier in the long run. The Hsu that BSA linked would be great. I'll recommend a few more when I get to a PC.

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You won't get better performance for the money unless you DIY (for example, this sub + cabinet and this amp, plus wire, terminal, grille, screws, paint, lacquer, and whatever else you choose to make it pretty). Just so you know, I'm not recommending these for their ability to play loud. They can play loud, yes; but they're all very well built, tonally tight, and have useable subsonic range that'll thoroughly pressurize your room whenever needed.
 
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zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
I have seen that Dayton Audio sub come up in several places. It was interesting to me, and obviously it's inexpensive, but I was worried that I'd end up with yet another sub that can't really reach very low, or that it would be muddy, etc.
Do it right - bypass the Dayton and get a good sub

2.1 is still a good option to start with
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
I'd second the LFM-1 EX; at $599 shipped, it's a bargain in my book, and it should be a good fit for a 25x11 space. Drop in a pair of something like these, and you'll have a very nice 2.1 setup you can build on.
 
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RonaldB

Enthusiast
Thanks very much guys. This has given me lots to read up on. Looks like there are plenty of good options to consider. I think I'm going to run with this and think on it for a couple days. In a perfect world, I'd obviously prefer to match everything - although the sub I figure doesn't have to be the exact same model / product line.
I was listening to some music again today when I got home from work, and just thoroughly unhappy with the sound from the current speakers. They just lack clarity and the sort of crisp sound that I remember from the last pair of decent speakers I had (nothing fancy, just some JBL bookshelf speakers - but they were the old school stuff from the late 70's / early 80's - inherited from my dad).
I will definitely come back to give you an update on what I decided to go with, maybe even post some pictures once I get things setup.
This weekend will be receiver setup and tinkering with ARC just to get the hang of it before I start switching around speakers.
I work in IT, so I'm not particularly worried about the headaches of getting the calibration going.
 
rojo

rojo

Audioholic Samurai
There's a great guide to setting up Audyssey floating around the net, maintained by some users at AVS Forum. I've got it bookmarked, but I'm wrangling a toddler at the moment and can't access my bookmarks. If no one else links it, I will as soon as I can. But I strongly suggest giving it a read to get Audyssey to work at its peak abilities. Don't take off yet Ronald.

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