Beginner intros and plans help

K

Ketterer

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Hello,
I jumping in headfirst into this home theatre and home audio world.

Bank story new to forums
I'm an avid movie and TV show in enthusiast, I do a lot of home tinkering and computer-related stuff, but even so, up till recently I had effectively stayed pretty clear of home audio and the like.

I've had a mediocre 4k 70-inch TV for a while now.Saddly what i have used for speakers for years is a set of Logitech 506 speakers, that I got when I went to college for my dorm room. They served 3 years in college and now about 4 years in an apartment. .....worst part I was even using it stereo out from tv.

Well that's what I actually got me down this road. At first I just wanted to use the full 5.1 of those crappy speakers, but after a lot of messing around buying a couple different DSP and decoding devices from Amazon, I realized I should with a full system. I returned most of the equipment from Amazon and went on Facebook and found a 10 year old home theatre in a box for 60 bucks and figured what the heck why not.

All that did though was get my feet wet. It's too old to have HDMI inputs and my optical out on TV only does PCM stereo so everything except the inbuilt smart features are still only in stereo. the Home theatre in a box I purchased was a Sony DAV-DZ175 5.1 so with wet feet thirsty for true power my story continues.

That was roughly a month ago. For the last 4 weeks I've sat and researched and acquired a basic understanding of home theatre world. And I think I'm ready to jump in the deep end

After a great deal of research I decided I wanted to go with a 9.2 Channel receiver with 11 Channel processing, and I wanted full preouts for future upgrades and possibly separates in the future. Originally I was going to go with the cheapest option with these features, being the pioneer VSX-LX504, but after reading the reviews here and Reddit I started to look at other brands. It took awhile but I did find that for be Denon seemed to hit the nail on the read for me for both tech features and audio features/quality.

With the back story and into out of the way I was hoping to just get some basic advice and double check if I'm doing anything really wrong for my first set up.


I don't have a huge budget to start but decent enough. I think I've decided on this set up for now downsizing most of my budget in a nice receiver and a decent front sound stage.

Floor plan provided, but important details
Room is 17.5' L x 12' w and 8' H
70" RCA tv on 12' wall (1 foot off wall)
Primary seating 2 recliners 5' from screen (6' from wall) 1' between them towed into tv
Waiting on Denon AVR-x3700h
Getting used Ultracube 10 subwoofer once i have a reciever

Fluence signature centre just came in
Fluence signature book shelves for fronts just came in
L+R surr and rear L+R surr will be small Sony satellites for now (the mains and surr from Sony DAV-DZ175)

I have also ordered cl2 12-gauge 2c ocf speaker wire and plan to do in wall wiring definitely for surrs and rears, I think I've planned out the cable runs pretty well and because I'm going through my floor and in my basement, I think I'm going to add an extra 30 ft each run so that if later on I choose I can move my whole system into the basement without much work rewiring.


Later this year or spring next year I do plan on getting a power amp and doing the 4 Atmos ceiling speakers also wired up my self.

Anyway aside from the obvious upgrade too surrounds and rears is there anything that is really good or bad about my plans. I included an floor plan for you to see also they shows the where I think I'll place the speakers.


Also I do have a couple of smaller questions,if I work to pick up a set of bipolar speakers to use as surrounds would they be too much for the size of room?

Are there any prerequisites a requirement spring ceiling speakers for Atmos?

I'm trying to decide if I want to go the cheaper route and just get a 2-channel amp for the atmos channels,or go with a 5.1 and then have the ability to buy amp floor standing speakers later in life. Which would you recommend more?
 

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mazersteven

mazersteven

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Nice AVR. What made you choose those Speakers?
 
K

Ketterer

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The fluence ones?
3 things asthetics, economics, and quality.
They are fairly highly reviewed and good specs. They look great, cones are my wife's fave color and in my price range.

So far they seem good, I only have them hooked up to a htib Sony DAV-DZ175 do can't really say if they are good yet.


Lastely, fluence is made in Canada and I'm Canadian so that's a bonus
 
K

Ketterer

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So....I just herd some intersesting news from my wife
She says she is fine if we even went bit more, would you recommend the 6700h over the 3700h?
Im thinking instead going the middle ground. but the DTS:X pro is very tempting. if you had the chance would you go for the 6700H?
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

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would you recommend the 6700h over the 3700h?
if you had the chance would you go for the 6700H?
Unless you need a feature in the 6700 I would stay with the 3700. The 6700 is overkill with your Speakers
 
K

Ketterer

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Would I be better off spending the difference in 6 months on a 5.1 amp? For amp would going used be a good idea?


Also how much do people think auro 3d and DTS:x pro matter and how is the experience with them?

I'm expecting to use this receiver for at very minimum 5 years. Depending on how things advance in tech and video I may even use it up to 10 -15 years or more as a secondary later in life. What I'm needing is I'm not expecting to jump on every band wagon but am I missing the one taking off right now lol
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

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Would I be better off spending the difference in 6 months on a 5.1 amp? For amp would going used be a good idea?


Also how much do people think auro 3d and DTS:x pro matter and how is the experience with them?

I'm expecting to use this receiver for at very minimum 5 years. Depending on how things advance in tech and video I may even use it up to 10 -15 years or more as a secondary later in life. What I'm needing is I'm not expecting to jump on every band wagon but am I missing the one taking off right now lol
You don't need an Amp. The 3700 is more then enough. If you want to invest money. Put it into better Speakers
 
K

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Sorry I should explain, in 6 months to a year i would like to do atmos, and i would like to go with 4 in ceilings. To do that I would need the full 11 ch, as the 3700 is only 9ch amped 11ch processing. So the options as I see them are as follows:

1. 3700h with a 5.1 amp for front stage and something(surrounds or the extra height)? or bi amping if i ever get full range set. (separates friendly)

2.3700h and a 2ch amp just for the extra ceiling (inexpensive)

3. 6700h all on internal amps (future proof for a bit longer?)

Thanks again for all the input. its really handy.


also as far a bookshelf speakers go how bad are the fluance bookshelfs? most of the reviews i read and info i looked at seemed to be good for the price and room size. Did i make a bad purchase?
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

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also as far a bookshelf speakers go how bad are the fluance bookshelfs? most of the reviews i read and info i looked at seemed to be good for the price and room size. Did i make a bad purchase?
No you didn't make a Bad Purchase. But you seem to be caught up with the AVR and Amps and how many channels.

I'd rather have an Outstanding Quality 5.1 system w/ Great speakers then 9.1 with just OK speakers.

Half your budget should be in the Front 3 speakers.
 
K

Ketterer

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Ok well that is good to know. Right now I think these are dooing a pretty good job of filling the space. Maybe Next year Ill have another bit to spend on a fresh set for the front 3. with a budget of about 1200 what would you recomend for for a good set that you think would fit my needs. Sorry to ask so many questions. Thanks again for the answers
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

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Right now I think these are dooing a pretty good job of filling the space.

$1200 what would you recomend
It's not all about Filling the Space. Its about Imaging. It's about Transparency. It's about Balance. And it's about how it makes you Feel.

Ascend Acoustics Sierra-2

Polk Audio LSiM 703

SVS Ultra
 
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K

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Sorry for the long delay, but thank you for the recommndations. how would i go about finding out how a set of speakers are in regards to imaging, transparency and balance? also what signs are there that these bookshelves aren't adequate?
I was also under the impression that it was placement and eq that mainly effected imaging
In the future i was expecting to go with floorstanding and maybe move these to rears.
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

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1) how would i go about finding out how a set of speakers are in regards to imaging, transparency and balance?

2) also what signs are there that these bookshelves aren't adequate?

3) I was also under the impression that it was placement and eq
Your know it when you hear it. When you can sit back and think your Front Row at a Live Concert. When you think David Lee Roth is Singing directly to you. That's when you'll know it.

Aren't Adequate? Those bookshelfs are some of the Best.

The Room, Acoustics, Surfaces, Placement all contribute to Sound Quality.
Im not a fan of EQ if you mean using an Equalizer
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Welcome to AH.
I will let you discuss this with mazersteven and others but I just cannot go without a comment, not to you personally as you are not the first nor the last.
New folks to home theater and audio jump in buy stuff, then ask questions after the fact and when stuff is on hand or on the way, is this good?

Oh, I would really think about that 10" sub especially since I gather the two of you are into movies. Consider a much better sub and that too will be suggested.
 
Pogre

Pogre

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Yup. That sub. Big glaring weak link in the chain. Subs are almost always an afterthought when really they're one of the most important (imo) components in the system, right behind speakers. Good bass is far superior to "enough bass". Once you hear good clean bass you don't go back.
 
Pogre

Pogre

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It's not all about Filling the Space. Its about Imaging. It's about Transparency. It's about Balance. And it's about how it makes you Feel.

Ascend Acoustics Sierra-2

Polk Audio LSiM 703

SVS Ultra
Of this list the Sierra 2s are probably the most transparent and accurate, but they're not spl monsters. The Ultras can take a lot of power, have more headroom and sound very good.

I would add Canton to the list with ceramic tweets (I believe the Vento series...). @KEW was impressed enough to give them a slight edge over the Ultras.

 
K

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Ok wait but thats a 1200$ 600watt sub with peak up 1500!! My friend i was planning on buying this from and a number of people on reddit have said that it was going to be a great sub.
anything bigger ive looked at is atleast 2000$ or well over. isnt that a good sub? I haven't firmed everything up on that, and want to hear it once i get everything else set up, but that is really disappointing i was really looking forward to that
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

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people on reddit

anything bigger ive looked at is atleast 2000$ or well over. isnt that a good sub?
Reddit -- I don't know if I'd take Audio advice there

I'm a Fan of Paradigm and some of their Speakers. The old Studio series were Awesome. I had Studio 20's and 40's. Loved them.

But Paradigm Subs aren't great performers they are OK. Lots of Better options.

How much were you spending on a Sub?
 
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Pogre

Pogre

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Ok wait but thats a 1200$ 600watt sub with peak up 1500!! My friend i was planning on buying this from and a number of people on reddit have said that it was going to be a great sub.
anything bigger ive looked at is atleast 2000$ or well over. isnt that a good sub? I haven't firmed everything up on that, and want to hear it once i get everything else set up, but that is really disappointing i was really looking forward to that
SVS, PSA, HSU, Rythmik and Monoprice all make top notch subs. I'd say Hsu is probably the best bang for your buck and SVS has unparalleled customer service and support. Their subs are a little slicker but they do cost a little more. I ended up going with a pair of VTF-3 MK5s for around $1700 shipped ($799 + shipping for a single) I know that's not "cheap", but that's for 2 of them and they're a lot bigger, more powerful and better subs overall than the one you're looking at.

Since you don't have a huge room (unless it's open to other areas) I'd say you could get away with the VTF-2 MK5 or the PB 2000 from SVS. I always say 2 is better than one for even bass response across a larger area, but good placement with a single can work well too. Shipping is factored into the price with SVS and you have to figure shipping cost with HSU.

You gonna trust Reddit or a forum full of neurotic audiophiles? Lol
 
K

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I am super disapointed to hear that....i really thought that was going to be the one higher grade piece :(
Man I dont know if i can afford all this like i thought. if even what i was really excited about is only meh or ok maybe i should just stick with something more basic. I was really thinking i was getting a nice midrange set up that was going to be awesome but seems im looking at a more crap set up then iw as thinking.
 
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