bass out put of the 3805 vs 2500

[djj1]

Is there a difference between the Yamaha 2500 and the Denon 3805 in the amount of bass that is reproduced? It seems like my old Yamaha Rx 980 has a better low end to it then the 3805 that I just purchased.

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

You are correct if comparing both receivers in the direct mode. The Denon plays a little more flat than the 2500. I find the 2500 better in the low and high frequencies when set to direct. You should be able to make up for the flat sound with the parametric eq. There is more than enough flexibility in your Denon to bring out the bass.

 

[djj1]

Do you know where I can get alittle more detail on how to do this?

 

[shokhead]

The Manual?

 

[djj1]

Yeh I know the manual, but its not the greatest manual ever written!!

 

[shokhead]

Thats for sure. I found it to be much better for some reason online and read it on my computer.

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Pg 27 or 30 of the manual. The front panel of the receiver is easier to use than the remote unless you are used to the on screen display, then it's a breeze. Try boosting the 57Hz, 110Hz, 2.6kHz, 4.8kHz, and 10 kHz to a +5.0 gain. Now drop the 250Hz, 510Hz, and 1.1 Hz down to a -3.0 gain. See what you think. You will have to do this for all of your speakers, so it will take a few minutes. Next, you can turn the "tone defeat" off, and adjust the bass and treble on the "tone control" on the front of the receiver (#19 and 20 on page 17). That should bring out more than enough bass and highs. It's quite an impressive set up, and very logical to use once you get the hang of it.

 

[djj1]

thanks for the help!! I'll give that a try tonight.

 

[djj1]

Pg 27 or 30 of the manual. The front panel of the receiver is easier to use than the remote unless you are used to the on screen display, then it's a breeze. Try boosting the 57Hz, 110Hz, 2.6kHz, 4.8kHz, and 10 kHz to a +5.0 gain. Now drop the 250Hz, 510Hz, and 1.1 Hz down to a -3.0 gain. See what you think. You will have to do this for all of your speakers, so it will take a few minutes. Next, you can turn the "tone defeat" off, and adjust the bass and treble on the "tone control" on the front of the receiver (#19 and 20 on page 17). That should bring out more than enough bass and highs. It's quite an impressive set up, and very logical to use once you get the hang of it.

Tried to find the eq parameter check to adjust the values you suggested, there was no eq chart under the parameter check page. Does this mean that the auto setup did not store any settings? Should I run the auto setup again?Also do you have any ideas why the osd does not work? I might have turned something off but I cant figure out what. It did work at one time.

 

[shokhead]

Do the auto setup again and do store. You should have a surround button on the lower right side of remote.

 

[mtrycrafts]

The Denon plays a little more flat than the 2500. .

Do you know how flat is flat? After all, our ability in the low frequencies are much less sensitive in detecting small variances

 

[soniceuphoria]

That is not entirely true, some people do have the ability to hear different octaves in bass. Having installed over 100 car audio systems myself, I have a keen ability to hear minor distortions and phase variences in the lower frequencies. The fact that I have been a highly skilled and gifted musician, playing for 12 years doesn't hurt either. Good luck with your recievers
Greg

 

[mtrycrafts]

That is not entirely true, some people do have the ability to hear different octaves in bass. Having installed over 100 car audio systems myself, I have a keen ability to hear minor distortions and phase variences in the lower frequencies. The fact that I have been a highly skilled and gifted musician, playing for 12 years doesn't hurt either. Good luck with your recievers
Greg

Well, your claim is totally agains what is know in psychoacoustics

Why do you think subs are rated at 10% distortion???

Just a few citations:

Thoise gifted musicians and conductors are no better-
"The Grass is Always Greener in the Outakes", Gould, Glenn, High Fidelity, Aug 75, pg 54-59.

Outlines Just noticable differences at low levels-
"High-Resolution Subjective Testing Using a Double-Blind Comparator", Clark, David, Journal of the Audio Engineering Society, Vol30, no 5, May82, pg 330-338.

Same-
"Level Discrimination as a Function of Level for Tones from .25 to 16khz", Florentine, Mary, et al, Journal of Acoustic Society of America, 81(5) May 1987, pg 1528-1541.

All this doesn't take away from being a gifted musician, but bias is bias

 

[shokhead]

That is not entirely true, some people do have the ability to hear different octaves in bass. Having installed over 100 car audio systems myself, I have a keen ability to hear minor distortions and phase variences in the lower frequencies. The fact that I have been a highly skilled and gifted musician, playing for 12 years doesn't hurt either. Good luck with your recievers
Greg

That was the screws coming out of the door panels you were hearing.

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

I can definitely tell the difference when changing the parametric eq on my Pioneer DEH-P4400 from 40 to 60 to 80 to 120, and increasing and decreasing the db by +/- 3db. It's much tougher to tell on a home sub, but with the right cd, you can tell a Denon from a Yamaha. I know because I own both and compared both over and over with numerous jazz and classical cd's.

 

[MacManNM]

Well, your claim is totally agains what is know in psychoacoustics

Why do you think subs are rated at 10% distortion???

Just a few citations:

Thoise gifted musicians and conductors are no better-
"The Grass is Always Greener in the Outakes", Gould, Glenn, High Fidelity, Aug 75, pg 54-59.

Outlines Just noticable differences at low levels-
"High-Resolution Subjective Testing Using a Double-Blind Comparator", Clark, David, Journal of the Audio Engineering Society, Vol30, no 5, May82, pg 330-338.

Same-
"Level Discrimination as a Function of Level for Tones from .25 to 16khz", Florentine, Mary, et al, Journal of Acoustic Society of America, 81(5) May 1987, pg 1528-1541.

All this doesn't take away from being a gifted musician, but bias is bias

Here we go....
Into Audibility again!

 

[mtrycrafts]

you can tell a Denon from a Yamaha. I know because I own both and compared both over and over with numerous jazz and classical cd's.

I am sure you compared the two under biase controlled conditions, level matched
History is not on your side in this

 

[mtrycrafts]

Here we go....
Into Audibility again!

What should we discuss if not that?

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

I am sure you compared the two under biase controlled conditions, level matched
History is not on your side in this

So are you saying you cannot hear the difference in units? My apologies to your ears. If this is the case, why bother rating and listening to any equipment at all? Does anyone else agree with me Denon and Yamaha has their own sound? Does a Krell amp sound like a McIntosh? Does a Pioneer sound like a Harman Kardon. C'mon, you can't possibly bring history into your corner on this one.

 

[MacManNM]

Receivers

I admire all of your passion.
But the fact is none of these receivers do all that great. You are talking about a few watts here and there, which in reality mean nothing. For the price of some of these receivers, you could put together separates that will blow the doors off of them. There is no 100w receiver that will truly put out 100w @ low distortion into 5 or 7 Chan. like a few good old-fashioned power amps. Until receivers have 220v 40a plugs on them and power supplies that can make enough current to actually put out decent power, this entire argument is pointless.


Mtrycrafts: Get it through your head, audibility is subjective.