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[omnifarius]

Frys has the RTi-8 for $300/pr.

I actually tried to pick those up yesterday, but they are sold out / back ordered.

 

[3db]

Yes I did. And the RTi12's go even lower. Overall Frequency Response 18Hz-27kHz. And are easier to drive then the LSi's.

Hey Mazer

have you seen any independent reviews on these that confirm 18 Hz? Please excuse my skeptitism but alot of subwoofers can't do 18 Hz. Understand where I'm coming from?

 

[mouettus]

I actually tried to pick those up yesterday, but they are sold out / back ordered.

Good thing. The difference between the 8s -vs- 10's and 12's is pretty huge. The later two have dedicated midrange woofers. The 8's have 2 woofers which are used for 30hz-2.2khz... which makes them pretty harsh sounding.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I am looking at building a 2 channel (with maybe a center) system. Could you advise me what to look at in the $1000 range for a pair of bookshelves or floorstanders. I watch a LOT of movies and I listen to techno, rock, and some classical. So they will have to have very good low freq, as I am not planning on a subwoofer because I live in an apartment and I don't want to be "that guy".

I have the perfect speakers for you!

Definitive Technology BP10B

FR: 20Hz-20kHz +/-6dB (25Hz-20kHz +/-3dB) @ 90dB w/m.
Price: Retail is $1,000/pr, Street Price as low as $700/pr Brand New.

http://www.definitivetech.com/reviews/BP10SR.pdf

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

The Polk RTi12 is 30Hz-26kHz +/-3dB!

MSRP is $1,679.95 per pair

http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/specs/individual/floorstanding/rti12/

The Def Tech BP10B is 25Hz-20kHz +/-3dB and the MSRP is $1,000 per pari.

 

[Sheep]

Did it occur to anyone that you can't DRIVE RTi10s or 12s with just a Yamaha receiver?

SheepStar

 

[jostenmeat]

Jesus, RTi12 can go down to 18Hz? That is pretty crazy for a tower without a powered sub. Don't the Def Tech Supertowers go down to around 20Hz?

Careful when you read certain specs. Is there an accompanying tolerance spec like +3db/-3db?

While Def Tech and Polk have excellent reps, I am not sure that I have ever seen an accompanying tolerance spec for freq response from a Def Tech product before.

I also have some PSB Image bookshelves. I recommend an audition.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Jesus, RTi12 can go down to 18Hz? That is pretty crazy for a tower without a powered sub. Don't the Def Tech Supertowers go down to around 20Hz?

My BP7000SC has an "overall" FR of 11Hz-30kHz, but the +/-3dB FR is 20Hz-20kHz.

 

[Guangui]

That would be a personal opinion.

No, that is a fact...Just kidding, when you have so many different opinion you cannot assume it is a fact, always assume that we are giving recommendations, and talking about our personal experience.

 

[Guangui]

I also have some PSB Image bookshelves. I recommend an audition.

Just audition them, you might be impressed by their sound, and eventually forget about the 18Hz, 22Hz, etc. impressive numbers for other speakers, which IMHO are not as complete when it comes to the full package (high/mid/bass).

 

[mazersteven]

Hey Mazer

have you seen any independent reviews on these that confirm 18 Hz? Please excuse my skeptitism but alot of subwoofers can't do 18 Hz. Understand where I'm coming from?

I don't have any reviews at this present time that I can refer you to. I quoted what the specs say from Polk Audio.

I was just responding to Gus6464 stating that the JBL L890 towers go down to 27Hz.

 

[Sheep]

My BP7000SC has an "overall" FR of 11Hz-30kHz, but the +/-3dB FR is 20Hz-20kHz.

I doubt that. Given that the Super cube is rated down to 16Hz, and the Tom Nousaine testing shows it's 44Hz at -2.3dB, I would say there is some misinformation going on.

SheepStar

 

[mazersteven]

Did it occur to anyone that you can't DRIVE RTi10s or 12s with just a Yamaha receiver?

SheepStar

It will drive them. They like more power, but it will drive them.

 

[Sheep]

It will drive them. They like more power, but it will drive them.

Translation: It will sound like ***.

SheepStar

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I doubt that. Given that the Super cube is rated down to 16Hz, and the Tom Nousaine testing shows it's 44Hz at -2.3dB, I would say there is some misinformation going on.

SheepStar

Def Tech Says that the BP10B has an "OVERALL" Freq Resp of 20Hz-30kHz.
If you ask Def Tech for the +/-3dB Response, it is 30Hz-20kHz +/-3dB.
Julian Hirsch at Stereo Review Independently tested the BP10B in their lab. They measured the BP10B to have a Response of 25Hz-20kHz +/-3dB & 20Hz-20kHz +/-5dB.

So was Def Tech MISINFORMING by OVERINFLATING their +/-3dB of 30Hz-20kHz?
Or was Julian Hirsch and Stereo Review LYING?

Def Tech said the OVERALL response of the CLR3000 is 19Hz-30kHz, but the +/-3dB is 28Hz-20kHz.

Tom Nousaine independently tested the CLR3000 and found it to have a response of 28Hz-20kHz +/-3dB.

Was DefTech giving wrong information about the CLR3000 +/-3dB response?

Or perhaps different labs, different people, different rooms, and different techniques all play a role in creating all these differences?

 

[Sheep]

They lied.

SheepStar

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

They lied.

SheepStar

So DefTech lied and made their BP10B's Freq Resp look worse?

If they lie, wouldn't they want to make their F.R. look better?

When I asked DefTech why their F.R. of the BP10B was worse than Julian Hirsch/Stereo Review's Lab Measurement by 5 Hz, they said it was because Stereo Review, just like any other lab, used a different technique than Def Tech's own lab.

That's fair enough.

 

[3db]

I don't have any reviews at this present time that I can refer you to. I quoted what the specs say from Polk Audio.

I was just responding to Gus6464 stating that the JBL L890 towers go down to 27Hz.

Hey Mazer.

I realize that you quoted the manufacturer's spec. I was just wondering if you saw anything independent that could back up their claim. I still remain very spektical that they can play 18Hz.

I have an easier time believing that JBLs can go down to 27Hz.

Thanks dude.

 

[mazersteven]

I will check later to see if I could find a review to back up the claim. I can say this. They will rumble a house, and have you thinking your sub is on when in fact it was off.

 

[krzywica]

So what would you recommend to drive the RTi-12's most effectively? For say around $500, I would like to stay away from seperates if at all possible.