AV Receiver

[PENG]

I suspect they are using a SMPS in them?

No way, looking at the pics of the innards, the transformer looks way too big. The day may come, but not yet. When that happens, expect the weight to drop at least another 5 lbs, may be 8 to 10.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

No way, looking at the pics of the innards, the transformer looks way too big. The day may come, but not yet. When that happens, expect the weight to drop at least another 5 lbs, may be 8 to 10.

Pioneer already has an 8-pound AVR. Next thing you know, it'll be a 3-pound AVR.

 

[PENG]

Other than Dynamic EQ to improve the bass and put a big smile on my face , I don't put too much MONEY into any Room EQ software to significantly improve the midrange and treble.

I don't care too much if it's Harman's ultra expensive room EQ, Dirac, DART, Lyngdorf, ARC, Audyssey Pro or YPAO.

Reasons:

1. If your room is Moderately or Severely messed up, may the gods help you because no room EQ will help you.

2. If your room is only mildly messed up, Room EQ may enhance the measurements, but it probably isn't too significant overall in reality.

You can get your speakers to measure 20Hz-20kHz +/- 0.3 dB and have smooth off-axis and great overall measurements. But it doesn't guarantee that everyone will prefer it to another speaker that measures 20Hz-20kHz +/- 3.0dB and has a little less smooth off-axis and less stellar overall measurements.

I think some of us may be chasing the numbers too much and too seriously. We chase that ultra flat in-room frequency response or the best 1w-audio-band-unweighted SNR. It's great because it's a hobby and we want to do that in leisure. It's especially true for professional publications like Audioholics who must have perfection in every way.

But for the rest of us mere mortals, all we want is to have that Super Dynamic Crystal-Clear Sound and when the bomb goes off, space ship flies overhead, and T-Rex stomps the ground, we want that Super Bass to put a big smile on our face.

Admit the apparent fact that you are a bass addict. REQ flattens the low bass overall, and you cannot adapt to the the flatter response between 10-100 hz.

It is also a fact that REQ only does a decent job for the main mic positions, the other mic positions are required to collect more information for the software to calculate more accurately for optimizing response at the main mic position. So I guess you are right to a point. It is not a magic bullet that kills the culprit 100%.

 

[PENG]

OK thank you all for your input ... The 4300 is ordered and on it's way.

Again Thank You all for sharing your experience and time to help.

Congrats! Now please go get a fan, and start reading up on how to run Audyssey for best results. Also, good or bad, feedback will be appreciated.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Admit the apparent fact that you are a bass addict. REQ flattens the low bass overall, and you cannot adapt to the the flatter response between 10-100 hz.

It is also a fact that REQ only does a decent job for the main mic positions, the other mic positions are required to collect more information for the software to calculate more accurately for optimizing response at the main mic position. So I guess you are right to a point. It is not a magic bullet that kills the culprit 100%.

Not gonna admit to bass addiction. Nope. Definitely don't want my bass to be flat.

Definitely never going to be the magic bullet.

 

[TampaRico]

I get the Denon 4300 later today ... I will post the results

 

[PENG]

I suggest you first get familiar with your new AVR by using it for a few days before running Audyssey.

Then if you have time you should read up on the setup guides available online from good sources, you can download a very good one from the link below.

http://www.willowville.net/ht/Audyssey Setup Guide.pdf

Then use it for a few days more after running Audyssey. After that, you may want to try out their editor, for $20 it is a good deal if it works. @Pogre used it but found bugs, so he stopped using it while waiting for Marantz to get back to him if and when they have a fix. I suggest you try it out because the Denon's version may not have the same bug.

https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/upgrades/audysseymulteqeditorapp
http://www.avsforum.com/denon-marantz-launch-audyssey-multeq-editor-app/

 

[Pogre]

I suggest you first get familiar with your new AVR by using it for a few days before running Audyssey.

Then if you have time you should read up on the setup guides available online from good sources, you can download a very good one from the link below.

http://www.willowville.net/ht/Audyssey Setup Guide.pdf

Then use it for a few days more after running Audyssey. After that, you may want to try out their editor, for $20 it is a good deal if it works. @Pogre used it but found bugs, so he stopped using it while waiting for Marantz to get back to him if and when they have a fix. I suggest you try it out because the Denon's version may not have the same bug.

https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/upgrades/audysseymulteqeditorapp
http://www.avsforum.com/denon-marantz-launch-audyssey-multeq-editor-app/

I'm still waiting on Marantz for a reply. Thanks for mentioning it, I should shoot them another email.

Probably worth noting also that not everyone had issues with the app editor, though it's been a few months since I reported problems and there's no fix yet.

 

[PENG]

I'm still waiting on Marantz for a reply. Thanks for mentioning it, I should shoot them another email.

Probably worth noting also that not everyone had issues with the app editor, though it's been a few months since I reported problems and there's no fix yet.

Would you consider asking Denon if they know of the same issue or any issue at all? If they say no, then I suppose you can put more pressure on Marantz. Just a thought that probably makes no sense at all. I had email Denon about Marantz and they still answered my question, though I didn't think they were correct.

 

[TampaRico]

Hi

The Denon 4300 is in and online in the Theater Room. What a huge improvement! The Denon 4300 was very easy to setup and sounds fantastic. What I love the most is that it sound great with Movies and Music too. I'm going to work on getting the Receiver to talk to my NAS Drive tomorrow because once I started to test it with a Movie, everything look and sounded so good I had to finish the movie.

Again Thanks Again for all the input. I will be upgrading my old Velodyne VLF soon.

 

[TampaRico]

Opps forgot to bring this up, I noticed when I ran the Audyssey it asked to check the front speakers phase... I did 3 times so I skipped the message and continued .... wonder why it thinks the front speakers are out of phase.... wonder if it's hearing a bad bounce back in the room.

 

[lovinthehd]

Opps forgot to bring this up, I noticed when I ran the Audyssey it asked to check the front speakers phase... I did 3 times so I skipped the message and continued .... wonder why it thinks the front speakers are out of phase.... wonder if it's hearing a bad bounce back in the room.

I used to get phase errors all the time with my Pioneer/MCACC avr, yet not with Audyssey even in the same room with the same speakers. I'd say your conclusion is as good as any I've heard. Think I've also seen it could be indicative of a particular crossover design.....

 

[PENG]

Opps forgot to bring this up, I noticed when I ran the Audyssey it asked to check the front speakers phase... I did 3 times so I skipped the message and continued .... wonder why it thinks the front speakers are out of phase.... wonder if it's hearing a bad bounce back in the room.

That's unusual but could happen in some rooms. If when listening in mono, the sound comes right from the middle then you are okay. If not, you may want to check to make sure the speakers are not wired out of phase, and that could happen too. For small satellite speakers, if Audyssey detected out of phase, you really should try to confirm it is not the speakers. Is you room a typical generally rectangular with our without opening to other rooms?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Make sure all the jumpers and connectors are tight, not loose.

One of my speakers had loose jumpers and I got the phase warning. After I tightened the jumpers the phase warning went away.

 

[Pogre]

I used to get phase errors all the time with my Pioneer/MCACC avr, yet not with Audyssey even in the same room with the same speakers. I'd say your conclusion is as good as any I've heard. Think I've also seen it could be indicative of a particular crossover design.....

My Ultra Towers always give a phase error because of the two opposing 8-inch drivers at the bottom.

 

[agarwalro]

Might not be the case for OP, I read long time ago, having a crossover with reversed phase for mid-tweeter transition can play havoc with Audyssey. [citation needed]

OP, if you have verified that there is no crossed phase in external wiring, it does not mean that there could be internal wiring issues. Swap the offending speaker to a different channel and see if the behavior follows. If it does, you may need to look inside the speaker. If it doesn't, it might just be a room response situation tripping up Audyssey.

 

[yepimonfire]

Other than Dynamic EQ to improve the bass and put a big smile on my face , I don't put too much MONEY into any Room EQ software to significantly improve the midrange and treble.

I don't care too much if it's Harman's ultra expensive room EQ, Dirac, DART, Lyngdorf, ARC, Audyssey Pro or YPAO.

Reasons:

1. If your room is Moderately or Severely messed up, may the gods help you because no room EQ will help you.

2. If your room is only mildly messed up, Room EQ may enhance the measurements, but it probably isn't too significant overall in reality.

You can get your speakers to measure 20Hz-20kHz +/- 0.3 dB and have smooth off-axis and great overall measurements. But it doesn't guarantee that everyone will prefer it to another speaker that measures 20Hz-20kHz +/- 3.0dB and has a little less smooth off-axis and less stellar overall measurements.

I think some of us may be chasing the numbers too much and too seriously. We chase that ultra flat in-room frequency response or the best 1w-audio-band-unweighted SNR. It's great because it's a hobby and we want to do that in leisure. It's especially true for professional publications like Audioholics who must have perfection in every way.

But for the rest of us mere mortals, all we want is to have that Super Dynamic Crystal-Clear Sound and when the bomb goes off, space ship flies overhead, and T-Rex stomps the ground, we want that Super Bass to put a big smile on our face.

Room eq isn’t really useful above 200hz.


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[AcuDefTechGuy]

Room eq isn’t really useful above 200hz.


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I agree. I just like the bass EQ.

 

[Pogre]

Might not be the case for OP, I read long time ago, having a crossover with reversed phase for mid-tweeter transition can play havoc with Audyssey. [citation needed]

OP, if you have verified that there is no crossed phase in external wiring, it does not mean that there could be internal wiring issues. Swap the offending speaker to a different channel and see if the behavior follows. If it does, you may need to look inside the speaker. If it doesn't, it might just be a room response situation tripping up Audyssey.

I've read similar. Sometimes 1 driver can be wired intentionally out of phase and mess with Audyssey. I've only had it happen with my towers tho.

 

[TampaRico]

That's unusual but could happen in some rooms. If when listening in mono, the sound comes right from the middle then you are okay. If not, you may want to check to make sure the speakers are not wired out of phase, and that could happen too. For small satellite speakers, if Audyssey detected out of phase, you really should try to confirm it is not the speakers. Is you room a typical generally rectangular with our without opening to other rooms?

The room is rectangular with door a opening to another room but the door was closed while the test was running