Audioholics 1A...a tiny quiz

[Tomorrow]

C is true.
So, what do I win?

You win what is behind Door Number 2... a FREE READING OF THIS------------>http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8033

 

[gene]

Hey! I said "no admins"...you...you...you spoil-sport, you.

Darn thats the price I pay for skim reading a post before replying. Sorry about that.

Bottom line is most processors will NOT send LFE to the main channels unless you are not running a dedicated subwoofer. Even if you aren't running a dedicated sub, the LFE channel will be scaled back to not overload the main channels. So if you're running powered towers, you should really consider running the bass portions via the LFE/Sub outs of the receiver and not bypassing that connection to simply run the mains as large.

 

[Tomorrow]

Darn thats the price I pay for skim reading a post before replying. Sorry about that.

Bottom line is most processors will NOT send LFE to the main channels unless you are not running a dedicated subwoofer. Even if you aren't running a dedicated sub, the LFE channel will be scaled back to not overload the main channels. So if you're running powered towers, you should really consider running the bass portions via the LFE/Sub outs of the receiver and not bypassing that connection to simply run the mains as large.

Ah, that's okay. The point was that there seemingly is always confusion with regards to LFE vs. low frequency bass when setting up a bass management system. There are a lot of noobies and dummies like me around that could benefit from a refresher course every now and then.

 

[jamie2112]

Darn thats the price I pay for skim reading a post before replying. Sorry about that.

Bottom line is most processors will NOT send LFE to the main channels unless you are not running a dedicated subwoofer. Even if you aren't running a dedicated sub, the LFE channel will be scaled back to not overload the main channels. So if you're running powered towers, you should really consider running the bass portions via the LFE/Sub outs of the receiver and not bypassing that connection to simply run the mains as large.

So that means "none of the above" ?

 

[gene]

So that means "none of the above" ?

The answer is "D" from post # 14 for a majority of processors/receivers on the market unless they otherwise state something different.

 

[MDS]

Again...not quite, MDS. I asked which is true..A,B, or C? 'B' is in fact true.

However, what you describe is correct.

B. Low frequencies (below the crossover setting) from other speakers are being directed to both the subwoofer and the mains.

The way that is written implies that bass below the xover frequency of channels set to Small gets sent to the sub and the mains (which are Large) and that is NOT true. The only time the mains (set to Large) will play LFE or bass from any other channel is when subwoofer = no.

Just think about Yamaha's term for the feature: 'LFE+Main'. That is fairly descriptive as it states the sub will play LFE + the bass from the mains. I like the Onkyo term 'double bass' better but it is the same feature.

 

[Tomorrow]

B. Low frequencies (below the crossover setting) from other speakers are being directed to both the subwoofer and the mains.

The way that is written implies that bass below the xover frequency of channels set to Small gets sent to the sub and the mains (which are Large) and that is NOT true. The only time the mains (set to Large) will play LFE or bass from any other channel is when subwoofer = no.

Just think about Yamaha's term for the feature: 'LFE+Main'. That is fairly descriptive as it states the sub will play LFE + the bass from the mains. I like the Onkyo term 'double bass' better but it is the same feature.

You are absolutely correct. The answer should be D...none of the above. Yamaha's 'LFE+Main = Mains and Sub getting non-LFE bass from the mains only. Sub gets all LFE. Non-LFE bass from other speakers goes to sub only.

See, I told you I was an easily confused dummy.

(Lynch Tomorrow...He's a cheat. Yeah. DO IT.... Time to slink off to a dark corner where ugly beasts beat and torture me.)

EDIT....I tried to get sneaky and tripped up on my own language. LOL.

 

[fredk]

I tried to get sneaky and tripped up on my own language. LOL.

The corner of confusion is never a lonely place. Nice thread.

I've seen plenty of posts on other sites where people are trying to figure out exactly what is going where. Poorly written manuals and marketing weenie text calling the same feature everyone else has something different don't exactly help either.

 

[Tomorrow]

The corner of confusion is never a lonely place. Nice thread.

I've seen plenty of posts on other sites where people are trying to figure out exactly what is going where. Poorly written manuals and marketing weenie text calling the same feature everyone else has something different don't exactly help either.

Yeah, thanks Fred. But I have now changed my avatar to better reflect my attributes.

I actually just read a Yamaha RX-V2500 manual and it's about as clear as mud on this issue. But I know MDS, Gene, et al are correct.

 

[abboudc]

Yeah, thanks Fred. But I have now changed my avatar to better reflect my attributes.

I actually just read a Yamaha RX-V2500 manual and it's about as clear as mud on this issue. But I know MDS, Gene, et al are correct.

LOL...i did the same thing. The manual really doesn't clarify anything. I especially like "other speakers will send their bass according to their crossover settings" but doesn't tell you WHERE...lol.

 

[bandphan]

from pioneer.....


•
Front
– Select
LARGE
if your front speakers
reproduce bass frequencies effectively, or if you
didn’t connect a subwoofer. Select
SMALL
to send
the bass frequencies to the subwoofer.
•
Center
– Select
LARGE
if your center speaker
reproduces bass frequencies effectively, or select
SMALL
to send bass frequencies to the other
speakers or subwoofer. If you didn’t connect a center
speaker, choose
NO
(the center channel is sent to
the other speakers).
•
Surr
– Select
LARGE
if your surround speakers
reproduce bass frequencies effectively. Select
SMALL
to send bass frequencies to the other
speakers or subwoofer. If you didn’t connect
surround speakers choose
NO
(the sound of the
surround channels is sent to the other speakers).
•
SB
– Select the number of surround back speakers
you have (one, two or none).
2
Select
LARGE
if your
surround back speakers reproduce bass frequencies
effectively. Select
SMALL
to send bass frequencies to
the other speakers or subwoofer. If you didn’t
connect surround back speakers choose
NO
.
•
SUB W.
– LFE signals and bass frequencies of
channels set to
SMALL
are output from the
subwoofer when
YES
is selected. Choose the
PLUS
setting if you want the subwoofer to output bass
sound continuously or you want deeper bass (the
bass frequencies that would normally come out the
front and center speakers are also routed to the
subwoofer).
3
If you did not connect a subwoofer
choose
NO
(the bass frequencies are output from
other speakers).

 

[Tomorrow]

Thanks, guys. It's true, the Onkyo and Yamaha manuals don't answer this question directly when "Both" or "Sub + Mains" is selected. It must be the language barrier. (Or the Dummy Manual Writers Club demands obfuscation.)

Hey, yeah, that's it....that's my problem! The Language Barrier. It's akin to the sound barrier, only it affects the speed at which the brain can operate.