Audio DAC: irrelevant in DVD?

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If I plan using the digital optical audio output of a DVD/CD player, do I care a whit about the digital-to-analog converter in the DVD player? Before I assume I don't care, I wanted to ask.

It seems if the audio output is the same digital uncompressed off the DVD (or read from the CD), then there is no conversion to analog on the DVD and I only care about the DAC on the receiver. Do I care then about the DVD/CD player's audio guts, if it has a digital optical audio out?

I'm shopping, and I need to know what I'm shopping for. I assume I will need to buy a HD-DVD in a few years, and I don't yet have a digital television anyway, but I am concerned about audio quality. Can I buy a cheap-o unit and rely on the DAC in my receiver to give me good sound? Does digital input make most of the audio guts obsolete on the CD/DVD player?

Thanks!
 
FallenAngel

FallenAngel

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Me a layman, but I would like to advise you to not go too cheap. To fully handle DVD Video (i.e. MPEG2) standard you will need:

Video processing >= 27MHz/10 bits.

DAC >= 96KHz/24 bits per channel.

The latter is an indicator (unfortunatelly not a guarantee) that the DSP (chip between laser beam and digital out or DACs) is up-to-date.

It is wise to use digital interconnect to receiver, they normally has much better bass management and surround decoding. You only need analogue interconnect for SACD and DVD-A. If you happen to wish to check these new high-resolution formats out, I can recommend Pioneer DV563A (but check first if your receiver has 5.1 analogue input). DV563A also has progressive scan on component output, so it might even be a starter when you upgrade to plasma.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

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No, the DAC in the player is irrelevant. It will be bypassed completely & the signal sent to DAC in your reciever. So be sure you receiver has good DACs (there are really only a few different DACs used in 90% of the players).

The important thing is that the DVD player be a good transport. There's some debate on whether or not DVD players are good as CD transports or not. My opinion is that there's more than a little superstition and snobbery involved, but I can't say I've had the chance to exhaustively compare high end CD transports to comparably priced DVD machines.

I can say the aforementioned DV-563A makes a pretty good transport, at least to my ears. I have one, and I briefly compared it to my Denon DVD-2200. It seemed to me the Denon sounded a bit better as a transport, but two factors could mitigate that assessment- 1) The Denon was connected via coax vs toslink for the Pioneer. Coax is generally believed to sound better. 2) Could be an overactive imagination on my part. The Denon cost five times as much, so maybe I merely wanted it to sound better.

I should point out that finding a 563 might be tough- it's discontinued & mostly if you find one now it's a refurb.

Lastly, I just bought a Pioneer 656a with ModWright Level I transport mods & a Bybee on the digital out. It's also modded to accept a standard IEC power cord. I just connected it an hour ago, haven't had time yet to really listen, but I'm curious to see if a DVD deck specially modded for use as a DVD transport will sound any better than any other deck.
 
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sea_dragons

Audiophyte
Rob Babcock said:
No, the DAC in the player is irrelevant. It will be bypassed completely & the signal sent to DAC in your reciever. So be sure you receiver has good DACs (there are really only a few different DACs used in 90% of the players).
I'm looking at the Sony DVPNC675P, a 5-disc changer, for the DVD/CD player at the moment. I'm torn at the moment about a Yamaha RX-V1400 or else a competitor ... I just lost an Onkyo 727 to lightning and am looking to get a replacement, and possibly an upgrade.


Rob Babcock said:
The important thing is that the DVD player be a good transport. There's some debate on whether or not DVD players are good as CD transports or not. ...
I can say the aforementioned DV-563A makes a pretty good transport, at least to my ears. I have one, and I briefly compared it to my Denon DVD-2200. It seemed to me the Denon sounded a bit better as a transport, but two factors could mitigate that assessment- 1) The Denon was connected via coax vs toslink for the Pioneer. Coax is generally believed to sound better. 2) Could be an overactive imagination on my part. The Denon cost five times as much, so maybe I merely wanted it to sound better.
Ack, and here I was thinking I'd get purer signal in optical. Let me know about how your new DVD experiment goes ...

Thanks!
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

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I'm posting this tonite from my folks place in ND, but once I get back home I'll be giving it a good workout.
 
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