adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
Thanks. It's the thought that counts, right?:)

The funny thing is I've been consistently lifting weights just because of these ATI amps!:D

I just paid them $1,224 shipped FedEx Ground (asking was $1,395 obo).

I think I'm going CRAZY.:eek:
That is a good buy. At first I was mad they listed a 3002 just after I bought the 2002 but after I measured I could not fit it in my rack anyway. I would have had to move two of the shelves up and it would have been a pain. At least that is what I keep telling myself.:rolleyes:

Mine will not be here until Monday so I can't finish moving gear and getting everything done until next week.:(

I'm crazy too. I spent more than I should have and now my remote just died. So there goes another couple hundred bucks.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
That is a good buy. At first I was mad they listed a 3002 just after I bought the 2002 but after I measured I could not fit it in my rack anyway. I would have had to move two of the shelves up and it would have been a pain. At least that is what I keep telling myself.:rolleyes:

Mine will not be here until Monday so I can't finish moving gear and getting everything done until next week.:(

I'm crazy too. I spent more than I should have and now my remote just died. So there goes another couple hundred bucks.
I feel your pain, bro.

My 3005 is hanging out about 2 inches on the front!:eek:

Well, including those 2 nice big handles, it's more like 4 inches on the front!:eek:

It's like > 19 inches in Depth, but you gotta allow another 4 inches for the cables, right?:eek:

Mine is shipping today, so I'll get it sometime next week.

Well, I'm glad someone else is just as crazy as I am.:D

I will now attempt to NOT spend another dime until 2011!:eek:

..............Then I will probably get the AVP-A1HDCI!:eek:
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
I feel your pain, bro.

My 3005 is hanging out about 2 inches on the front!:eek:

Well, including those 2 nice big handles, it's more like 4 inches on the front!:eek:

It's like > 19 inches in Depth, but you gotta allow another 4 inches for the cables, right?:eek:

Mine is shipping today, so I'll get it sometime next week.

Well, I'm glad someone else is just as crazy as I am.:D

I will now attempt to NOT spend another dime until 2011!:eek:


..............Then I will probably get the AVP-A1HDCI!:eek:
You not spend another dime on audio till next year LOL, it won't be long till you sell those ATI amps and get something else... you know you want a second trinity sub to even out your bass response.
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
I feel your pain, bro.

My 3005 is hanging out about 2 inches on the front!:eek:

Well, including those 2 nice big handles, it's more like 4 inches on the front!:eek:

It's like > 19 inches in Depth, but you gotta allow another 4 inches for the cables, right?:eek:

Mine is shipping today, so I'll get it sometime next week.

Well, I'm glad someone else is just as crazy as I am.:D

I will now attempt to NOT spend another dime until 2011!:eek:

..............Then I will probably get the AVP-A1HDCI!:eek:
I would have thought your 5308 was at least as deep. Oh your 3005 is probably deeper than the 2000 series.:eek:

I bet it will be a month and you will be selling the 5308 and you will have the AVP.:eek::D

The reason.........















it will bug you that you are not using the balanced connections.:cool:
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
You not spend another dime on audio till next year LOL, it won't be long till you sell those ATI amps and get something else... you know you want a second trinity sub to even out your bass response.
I would have thought your 5308 was at least as deep. Oh your 3005 is probably deeper than the 2000 series.:eek:

I bet it will be a month and you will be selling the 5308 and you will have the AVP.:eek::D

The reason.........

it will bug you that you are not using the balanced connections.:cool:
C'mon guys. Help me out here, will ya?:D

I need some support here.:D

Yeah, the Denon 5308 is also > 19" deep.

Actually, I was thinking of keeping the 5308 as "back up".

I already have 6 XLR balanced cables (all different colors).

Matter of time. Matter of time.:D
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
ATI is a great company, but if I would have to choose I would go with AB International (which is also a OEM for a few amp companies). I just love them gain knobs.
AB International 400 watts X 6 (8 ohms)
View attachment 8180
Or the Verastarr 440 watts X 6 (8 ohms)
View attachment 8181
Or the Studio 6 400 watts X 6 (8ohms)
View attachment 8182
And the list goes on and on.
Notice any similarities on these amps?
I'm curious ..... Please enlighten us....
Oh I get it look at his avatar. It is a Cinepro. So I guess they are the manufacturer for those other companies. They look beefy.:D
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
ATI vs CINEPRO, shall we?

Home Theater Magazine Review of Earthquake/ATI Seven-Channel Amplifier:

http://hometheatermag.com/poweramplifiers/905earthquake/index2.html

All channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads, 1% distortion = 329.6 watts (per company Spec: 8-ohms = 300 watts).

2 channels driving 8-ohm loads, 1% distortion = 374.4 watts.

Into 4 ohms, 1% distortion = 564.7 watts.

THD+N = 0.013% (XLR).

Crosstalk at 1 kHz driving 2.83 volts into an 8-ohm load was –101.90 dB left-to-right and –101.14 dB right-to-left using the XLR inputs.

The signal-to-noise ratio with 2.83 volts driving an 8-ohm load from 10 Hz to 24 kHz with "A" weighting was –102.60 dB using the XLR input.

Home Theater Magazine Review of Cinepro 3k6SE3 Gold Six-Channel Amplifier:

http://hometheatermag.com/poweramplifiers/91/index2.html

All channels driving 8-ohm loads, 1% distortion = 348.5 watts (per company Specs: 8-ohm = 425 wpc).

2 channels driving 8-ohm loads, 1% distortion = 414.5 watts.

Into 4 ohms, 1% distortion = 693.7 watts.

THD+N = 0.13%.

Crosstalk at 1 kHz driving 2.83 volts into an 8-ohm load was -59.78 dB left to
right and -60.56 dB right to left.

The signal-to-noise ratio with 2.83 volts driving an 8-ohm load from 10 Hz to 24 kHz with "A" weighting was -98.55 dB.


What concerns me about the Cinepro:

1) Cinepro listed their amp as 425 watts @ 8 ohms, but with all channels driven, it’s only 349 watts! In contrast, ATI listed their amp as only 300 watts, but it measured 330 watts!

2) Distortion on the Cinpro is ten times that of ATI!

3) But the most troublesome fact is that the CROSSTALK of the Cinepro is –59.78dB @ 1 kHz!!! That means that at 20 kHz, it is most likely -34dB!!!

[-59.8 dB] + [log2(20) * 6dB per Octave] = -59.8 + 26.1 = -33.7dB @ 20 kHz.
 
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walter duque

walter duque

Audioholic Samurai
AcuDefTechGuy
Which amp woud you choose from Highend Zone Chart below. If any? I purchased my Cinepro 3k6 in 98, at that time I was king of hill. Maye it's time for me to upgrade. Maybe I've been out of the amp loop for a little to long. I still think my old Threshold 200 X 2 can't be surpassed by todays amps. You think it's time for me to wake up and just let go of these old amps or what? They just sound so good.

http://www.highendzone.com/amps.shtml
What about Belles. I can get a great deal on these amps.
http://www.powermodules.com/power_modules/mb500_amp.html
 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
AcuDefTechGuy
Which amp woud you choose from Highend Zone Chart below. If any? I purchased my Cinepro 3k6 in 98, at that time I was king of hill. Maye it's time for me to upgrade. Maybe I've been out of the amp loop for a little to long. I still think my old Threshold 200 X 2 can't be surpassed by todays amps. You think it's time for me to wake up and just let go of these old amps or what? They just sound so good.

http://www.highendzone.com/amps.shtml
What about Belles. I can get a great deal on these amps.
http://www.powermodules.com/power_modules/mb500_amp.html
No, I don't think you should spend another dime on any of those amps.:D

The Cinepro 3K6 is just fine and dandy. I would not spend $7K for it, but it is still a very powerful amp.

The specs I mentioned are just specs. I'm an Spec-whore:D, so some specs will bother the heck out of me.

I'm CRAZY. :eek:

But they are just specs. Most people don't care about all the specs. If you don't care about the specs, the Cinepro 3K6 is a great amp because it is very powerful.

Keep it.:)
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
I received my AT2002 today so I am back to 7.1.:D One glitch is this one has the rack mount face plate which they did not say in the description so I am waiting to see if they will help me out on this. I don't care which one I have as long as both amps match.

I'll take some pics tonight when I get it home.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Why does FedEx always try to deliver packages to my house when I'm at work, especially when the packages have to be signed for?:eek:

So looks like I will have to try to come by FedEx and pick up the AT3002 tomorrow or something.:mad:
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
Why does FedEx always try to deliver packages to my house when I'm at work, especially when the packages have to be signed for?:eek:

So looks like I will have to try to come by FedEx and pick up the AT3002 tomorrow or something.:mad:
That stinks. I always have everything delivered to my office. Both FedEx and UPS locations are 50 miles away so I would be bumming if I had to go to the outlet.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
You two need to send some of that extra money to your good friend "The Dawg". It's obvious that you have too much.
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
Ok here is a pic of both the amps. The one on top with the rack front is the one that came in today.



The second one was not listed as a rack face so this was a bit of a surprise. I received an email back from the seller and they will replace either front plate so they both match. I'm going with the rack front. I like the way it fills this shelf more and who knows I may end up installing a middle atlantic setup the way I'm going.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
Sweet Craig.

Just for the record, I like how it looks without the rack mount.

Carolyn and I was just looking at your rack and we want you to come over and cut a hole in our wall. I have the perfect wall with a closet behind it but we need you to help us.
Ok here is a pic of both the amps. The one on top with the rack front is the one that came in today.



The second one was not listed as a rack face so this was a bit of a surprise. I received an email back from the seller and they will replace either front plate so they both match. I'm going with the rack front. I like the way it fills this shelf more and who knows I may end up installing a middle atlantic setup the way I'm going.
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
Sweet Craig.

Just for the record, I like how it looks without the rack mount.

Carolyn and I was just looking at your rack and we want you to come over and cut a hole in our wall. I have the perfect wall with a closet behind it but we need you to help us.
Thanks. I was waffling so I just made a call. I really want a middle atlantic rack with the clean face. I know I can modify what I've done to fit one but the website is a pain to figure out.

You could do this type of install. It really was not that hard. I would have been way more stressed if I would have built this in my living room. I'm lucky that my mistakes are not visible.

The new project is my 810 died so I'm upgrading to an 880 and going full RF with RS-232 control using a MSC-400. Bandphan has been helping me out and I think this will bring in a whole new level to my system. I've been having some issues with IR flashers on some of my gear and my wife has not been happy. This way I get status feedback of all my sources and macros that will not go out of sync. Learning another URC software program is a pain but this one looks like they will be using it for a while.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
What was your old Amplification and how do these compare. Are you in the camp that all amps sound same/similar when level matched?
 

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