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ifarrell

Enthusiast
I am in the market for a HT setup (5.1 or 7.1), and have narrowed my choices down to an Axiom, or a Ascend setup. Since Google has failed me, I was wondering if any of you could offer some wisdom as to how their two lines of bookshelf speakers compare, specifically Ascend's CBM-170 and CMT-340, and Axiom's M3ti and M22ti.
I will be using these speakers in a system with a SVS 16-46 pci, and a Harman Kardon 7200 reciever. The room they are destined for is 10 x 14 with sheetrock walls and a tile floor. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
The room they are destined for is 10 x 14 with sheetrock walls and a tile floor.
Yikes! You could put mirrors on the ceiling for some really wild sound. You may want to throw down an area rug (and nail one up on a wall!) :rolleyes: To tame down the scorching highs, you may want to consider the Ascends. The HK will definitely help smooth out the transition in your shiny room. That will definitely be a kick a$$ system, especially for the size of the room. Nice choice(s).
 
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silversurfer

Senior Audioholic
Great speakers. I think the Ascends are a bit more neutral.

That said, I think you may want to do some things to take care of your room first. For the floor, try a bit throw rug in front of the listening area. For the walls, anything that is not as hard or reflective as sheetrock.
 
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ifarrell

Enthusiast
Thanks for all your help. I am going for the Ascends, CMT-340 fronts and center,with CBM-170 surrounds. One more quick question, how do the Hsu VTF-3 MK2 and SVS 16-46 Pci / SVS PB12-ISD/V (the box model) compare? If there is little or no difference, I may just buy the Hsu from Ascend with the speakers, and save on shipping.
 
jaxvon

jaxvon

Audioholic Ninja
Saving on shipping would be a good option. The SVS have higher output than the Hsu and lower extention as well. But the Hsu is no slouch. It would be a very pleasing subwoofer and would have good 20 Hz extention in the corner of a room of your size. Decide what has a higher value to you and use that to make your decision.
 
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hopjohn

Full Audioholic
Both companies have good customer support and respectable return policies. Perhaps audition each of them and then decide.

Buckeyefan 1 said:
The HK will definitely help smooth out the transition in your shiny room.
Buckeye, I'm not picking on you, so please don't take this the wrong way. it's just that I'm really growing tired of the implication that a recevier will sound bright, warm, cold, frigid, in comparison to another. The whole idea is to pass along the signal as unaltered as is possible. The receiver isn't going to smooth out anything with the possible exception of equalization, and of course with that you introduce a new set of problems.

My advice is to concentrate on speaker placement initially and worry less about what tonal effects the receiver will have. If the sound doesn't truely impress consider delving into the realm of room treatment, where a real difference can be made.
 
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silversurfer

Senior Audioholic
jaxvon said:
Saving on shipping would be a good option. The SVS have higher output than the Hsu and lower extention as well. But the Hsu is no slouch. It would be a very pleasing subwoofer and would have good 20 Hz extention in the corner of a room of your size. Decide what has a higher value to you and use that to make your decision.
The 16-46 will have greater output below 20hz than the VTF-3, above that it loses output due to the lower tune, and the Hsu will have more output. I have not read much about the PB12-ISD/V, but it is my guess its SVS's answer to the VTF-3.
 
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silversurfer

Senior Audioholic
hopjohn said:
My advice is to concentrate on speaker placement initially and worry less about what tonal effects the receiver will have. If the sound doesn't truely impress consider delving into the realm of room treatment, where a real difference can be made.
I agree with hopjohn. While I think amps/receivers do affect the sound, it is MUCH less effect than compared to room treatments.
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
hopjohn said:
Both companies have good customer support and respectable return policies. Perhaps audition each of them and then decide.

Buckeye, I'm not picking on you, so please don't take this the wrong way. it's just that I'm really growing tired of the implication that a recevier will sound bright, warm, cold, frigid, in comparison to another. The whole idea is to pass along the signal as unaltered as is possible. The receiver isn't going to smooth out anything with the possible exception of equalization, and of course with that you introduce a new set of problems.

My advice is to concentrate on speaker placement initially and worry less about what tonal effects the receiver will have. If the sound doesn't truely impress consider delving into the realm of room treatment, where a real difference can be made.
.....Hopjohn, I say outstanding on your analysis of what's important concerning the signal throughout....

.....I suspect Harmon-Kardon originated as a mail-kit effort....I remember my Brother at age 5 building an AM plastic radio from them by mailed kit....the receivers of HK, that I personally have heard through the years, gave me the impression they came from a kit company also....but let me say I haven't heard any HK for at least 20-25 years....back when I did hear them, I didn't hear a coming together of the presence in the highs especially, and I can see a bright room taking HK receivers to a higher level per resonance length....a bright room "can" have a compressor-effect of "desired" reverberation for a pleasant effect indeed, as verified by the experience of hearing multiple trombones in a BRIGHT school men's restroom back in jr and high schools, haha....buddy, we looked forward to it at State and Regional band gatherings, haha.....blend and brightness to burn....

.....Samurai Buck, however, is a big boy, and will be here today to speak for himself.....

.....Privateer, you're among friends who are watchin' you swim upstream, Buddy....lose the arrogance, turd....your knowledge of higher end equipment is desired....you're coming across as a guy who puts on his 500 ensemble of casual clothes, jumps in his Beemer, and drives with the top down to his friend's house to tell his friend he's bought a pair of speakers that cost 1000 bucks more than his friend's........YOUR friend, mule.....
 
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ifarrell

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Geez Mule, lighten up. Any way, thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate it.
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
ifarrell said:
Geez Mule, lighten up. Any way, thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate it.
.....IFarrell, I must point out wingin' it is hard work and can get wordy.....
 
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