Are Mogami W3104 speaker wires good.

[Sam Halsey]

I was thinking to make my own cables and on Audioholiics YouTube, Gene and another guy from bench mark were talking about how speaker cables can create distortion, some audible, some may not be audible. What do you guys think of the Mogami W3104 speaker wire?

Thanks Sam

 

[Speedskater]

Yes, Mogami W3104 speaker wire is good, along with many hundred other speaker cables.
While long, small speaker cables may cause little frequency response errors,
speaker cables won't cause distortion.

 

[Trell]

I was thinking to make my own cables and on Audioholiics YouTube, Gene and another guy from bench mark were talking about how speaker cables can create distortion, some audible, some may not be audible. What do you guys think of the Mogami W3104 speaker wire?

Thanks Sam

Mogami makes nice cables but why do you need a speaker cable with four wires?

 

[Eppie]

I think Gene's old tutorial used 4 conductor zip cord. You increase the effective gauge by pairing the wires but it's easier to use because 2 conductor cable of the same effective gauge is more difficult to bend and work with. Also, if you want to bi-amp down the road, you already have 4 conductors. Those were the two points that come to mind without re-watching the video.

 

[Trell]

I think Gene's old tutorial used 4 conductor zip cord. You increase the effective gauge by pairing the wires but it's easier to use because 2 conductor cable of the same effective gauge is more difficult to bend and work with. Also, if you want to bi-amp down the road, you already have 4 conductors. Those were the two points that come to mind without re-watching the video.

You could get thinner speaker cables with larger AWG with two wires instead of four and likely save some money on top of that. As for bi-amping: Not much use, if any, for passive speakers.

 

[WaynePflughaupt]

The 3104 is designed for bi-amped pro-audio speaker cabinets (the kind used in performance halls and venues). For residential use, unless your needs are unusual, all you need is some 14 or 12 ga. zip cord. A high strand count is a bonus for a highly pliable cable.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

 

[Trell]

The 3104 is designed for bi-amped pro-audio speaker cabinets (the kind used in performance halls and venues). For residential use, unless your needs are unusual, all you need is some 14 or 12 ga. zip cord. A high strand count is a bonus for a highly pliable cable.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

And those "bi-amped pro-audio speaker cabinets" are not passive speakers.

 

[Verdinut]

And those "bi-amped pro-audio speaker cabinets" are not passive speakers.

The three front speakers in my HT system are passive and they are actively bi-amped with three 2 channel pro audio QSC Digital Cinema amps. I use 4-wire cables to drive each of them.

My 7 Channel System

SYSTEM: MARANTZ SR5010, 3 QSC DCA 1222 AMPS. DRIVING THE FRONT CHANNELS IN ACTIVE BI-AMP CONFIG. QSC DCA 1824 (4 CH. AMP.) FOR SURROUND CHANNELS OPPO BDP-95, REVOX B77, TEAC AN-80 (NR), AUDIO-TECHNICA AT-LP1240, SHURE M97XE, HITACHI HCA-8300, PANASONIC TH-50PZ80U, FURMAN PS-8R, APC H15 FRONT...

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[Trell]

The three front speakers in my HT system are passive and they are bi-amped with three 2 channel pro audio QSC Digital Cinema amps. I use 4-wire cables to drive each of them.

My 7 Channel System

SYSTEM: MARANTZ SR5010, 3 QSC DCA 1222 AMPS. DRIVING THE FRONT CHANNELS IN ACTIVE BI-AMP CONFIG. QSC DCA 1824 (4 CH. AMP.) FOR SURROUND CHANNELS OPPO BDP-95, REVOX B77, TEAC AN-80 (NR), AUDIO-TECHNICA AT-LP1240, SHURE M97XE, HITACHI HCA-8300, PANASONIC TH-50PZ80U, FURMAN PS-8R, APC H15 FRONT...

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I don't think you know what bi-amped means and you missed the word "passive".

 

[trochetier]

The 3104 is designed for bi-amped pro-audio speaker cabinets (the kind used in performance halls and venues). For residential use, unless your needs are unusual, all you need is some 14 or 12 ga. zip cord. A high strand count is a bonus for a highly pliable cable.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

Ditto. I will add though, twisted pair cable is electrically better for noise rejection.

Now if you want to truly want experiment?

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I am using the Cat5 V1 4 twisted pair version in my system. Two pair for +ve and -ve. Don't recall what brand Cat 5 but it was from home depot. I made about a 16 ft final length and then cut it in half for the stereo pair. I cannot explain why, but I have not been able to replicate the same sound as the first attempt in later attempts at slightly longer lengths..

 

[Trell]

Ditto. I will add though, twisted pair cable is electrically better for noise rejection.

Now if you want to truly want experiment?

Speaker Cable Faceoff 3 - The DIY Shootout

In this review, we tell you how to make DIY speaker cables. Ever wonder how DIY speaker cables compare to the name brands? Wonder no more. We have the definitive guide.

www.audioholics.com

I am using the Cat5 V1 4 twisted pair version in my system. Two pair for +ve and -ve. Don't recall what brand Cat 5 but it was from home depot. I made about a 16 ft final length and then cut it in half for the stereo pair. I cannot explain why, but I have not been able to replicate the same sound as the first attempt in later attempts at slightly longer lengths..

Sure, for very low voltage signals, but for speaker cables passing high voltage? Really?

 

[Verdinut]

I don't think you know what bi-amped means and you missed the word "passive".

I don't know? I'm using active bi-amplification in my system and I know the difference between active and passive.
You're the one who doesn't know what active and passive bi-amping mean!

Actually the term active might be considered a misnomer. Both speakers, the one having a multiple channel amplifier and electronic crossover in same cabinet, and the one with amplifiers in a separate cabinet, with electronic crossover between preamp or mixing console and amps can be considered as active.

Passive bi-amping is where separate amplifiers are used but no electronic crossover is used. The crossovers in the speaker cabinet are being used and this is a waste of time and money.

 

[mtrycrafts]

The 3104 is designed for bi-amped pro-audio speaker cabinets (the kind used in performance halls and venues). For residential use, unless your needs are unusual, all you need is some 14 or 12 ga. zip cord. A high strand count is a bonus for a highly pliable cable.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

Zip cord is old fashioned. I am looking for some Zap cords.

 

[WaynePflughaupt]

And those "bi-amped pro-audio speaker cabinets" are not passive speakers.

The ones using 4-conductor speaker cable like the 3104 would indeed be passive. The electronic crossovers and amplifiers would be upstream.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt