aperion vs def techs

[krazer]

I have been looking to purchase some speakers for my home theatre and have a budget of about 2k. I have listened to def techs bp7006 for the front, c/l/r 2300 for the center and bp2x's for the rear and it sounded great. I have also been considering the aperions intimus 533-pt cinema hd system because I have read some good reviews. Has anybody compared these speakers or can anybody give me any suggestions on whick speakers to purchase. I would also consider a different speaker package in the 2k range if anybody has any suggestions.

thanks

 

[Warpdrv]

First and foremost.... Welcome to Audioholics...

Im sure there is a certain someone here that will chime in, but I will give you my opinion.... I don't think the Aperions will hold a candle to what the Def Tech's have to offer... Not that the Aperions are bad.... I just don't think they compare.

There are other speakers avail. that will be more of a match to the Def Tech's IMO...

I just bought the new 5 channel Bookshelf from SVS, and am Waiting for it to be shipped out.. MBS-01 5.0 Compact speaker system, so as I can't tell you how those sound yet.. as they haven't been released yet, I am betting they will be quite the package with the components they are sporting.. http://www.svsound.com/products-spks-mts01.cfm just above your price range.

Take your time, and if you can go out and listen to some different speakers at some high end shops just for kicks, to see whats out there... Lots of choices... This is the fun part for you, going around and demo-ing differnt flavors to see what fits for you... Good luck and happy hunting..

P.S. It took me many months before I settled on my first main system...

 

[pzaur]

Why not order the Aperions and test them out. The biggest complaint I've heard about the 533-PT is that the subwoofer is movable from it's location. If it's in a bad spot, it's in a bad spot.

I own a set of 533-Ts and love them. They're mated with a Sony sub that came with our original HTiB. They blend really well and the sub isn't all that bad. But, the sub will be replaced...

Personally, if you've got the space, I'd go for a free standing sub and two towers over towers with built in powered subs. My 2 cents.

-pat

 

[gus6464]

Why not order the Aperions and test them out. The biggest complaint I've heard about the 533-PT is that the subwoofer is movable from it's location. If it's in a bad spot, it's in a bad spot.

I own a set of 533-Ts and love them. They're mated with a Sony sub that came with our original HTiB. They blend really well and the sub isn't all that bad. But, the sub will be replaced...

Personally, if you've got the space, I'd go for a free standing sub and two towers over towers with built in powered subs. My 2 cents.

-pat

Even a small sub like the SVS SB12-Plus will outperform the built-in subs of the Aperions and the DT's.

 

[pzaur]

Why not order the Aperions and test them out. The biggest complaint I've heard about the 533-PT is that the subwoofer is movable from it's location. If it's in a bad spot, it's in a bad spot.

I own a set of 533-Ts and love them. They're mated with a Sony sub that came with our original HTiB. They blend really well and the sub isn't all that bad. But, the sub will be replaced...

Personally, if you've got the space, I'd go for a free standing sub and two towers over towers with built in powered subs. My 2 cents.

-pat

I meant to say "NOT movable from it's location." I just noticed I missed that word...

Krazer - If you do decide to go with a freestanding sub, check the sub forum here and you'll get lots of suggestions. AV123, Hsu, Dayton, SVS are just some names that'll show up. All worthy of consideration.

-pat

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I have listened to def techs bp7006 for the front, c/l/r 2300 for the center and bp2x's for the rear and it sounded great.

That says it ALL right there. You have auditioned them, and they sounded GREAT.

I think you've read enough great reviews of Def Tech speakers from professional staffs to realize that they are great speakers. But just like everything else, nothing is perfect, and not everyone will love Def Tech speakers. There is not a single speaker out there that will sound great to every single person. You can't please everyone.

If you have space to accomodate a 42" Center Speaker (standing Vertically), I might suggest getting five Def Tech BP10Bs (which you can get for $350 each if you know certain dealers, Retail is $500 ea). Then I might suggest getting a powerful Epik Knight subwoofer for $600:

http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/Products.html

http://www.definitivetech.com/reviews/BP10SR.pdf

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Even a small sub like the SVS SB12-Plus will outperform the built-in subs of the Aperions and the DT's.

I would definitely agree with that.
The Aperion and DT BP7006 have 8-inch drivers.
The SVS has a 12-inch driver with a port?
The Epik Knight has a 15" driver with a 6" port.

 

[krazer]

thanks for the responses. I already own a velodyne 1210 sub, which has a
10" active and a 12" passive down firing. So should I consider getting speakers that don't have built in subs? like the def tech bp10's. It seems like some think it would sound better with a separate sub.

 

[GlocksRock]

def tech's suck, get some bose and you will be much happier...


j/k, I vote for the definitives.

 

[Sheep]

I vote for the company that doesn't lie about their products.

SheepStar

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

thanks for the responses. I already own a velodyne 1210 sub, which has a
10" active and a 12" passive down firing. So should I consider getting speakers that don't have built in subs? like the def tech bp10's. It seems like some think it would sound better with a separate sub.

I would get the BP10Bs for several reasons.

1) The BP10Bs have two 6.5" Midrange/upper bass drivers and two 1" Tweeters. The BP7006s have two 4.5" Midrange/upper bass drivers and two 1" Tweeters.

2) The BP10Bs are less expensive. You could get them brand new at street prices for $750-$800 per pair.

3) You already have a Subwoofer.

4) Julian Hirsch/Stereo Review measured the BP10B's FR as 20Hz-20kHz +/-6dB. That is outstanding at any price.

Interesting points:

If you called or e-mail Def Tech directly and ask them for the +/-3dB F.R. of the BP10Bs, they will tell you that it is 30Hz-20kHz +/-3dB.

However, Julian Hirsch Lab/Stereo Review measured the BP10Bs to be 25Hz-20kHz +/-3dB.

Why the difference?

It is because of the different measuring techniques, room, lab, and people, among other factors.

Def Tech says the CLR3000 has a F.R. of 28Hz-20kHz +/-3dB @90dB w/m.
Tom Nousaine’s Lab agreed 100%. He also said the CLR3000 has a F.R. of 28Hz-20kHz +/-3dB and the low bass limit @ <10% THD is 25Hz @ 74dB.

Some people seem to despise Def Tech because they, like MB Quart and some other loudspeaker companies, chose to state the “OVERALL” frequency response, instead of the +/-3dB F.R. For example, the StudioMonitor 450 has a stated overall F.R. of 24Hz-30kHz. However, at 24Hz it is at –30dB! So yes, their speakers may be able to go down to the stated F.R., but not at +/-3dB. Some people consider this a LIE. But are they lying? They are simply stating the OVERALL F.R.

So if I were to extrapolate the BP7006s F.R. into Julian Hirsch Lab, I would say it has a F.R. of 24Hz-20kHz +/-3dB and at least 20Hz-20kHz +/-6dB. The built-in subwoofer is great. You can’t go wrong with either the BP7006 or BP10B.

Bottom line, you have to like what you hear.

Personally, I would get the BP10Bs for my Front Left, Center, and Right, especially since I can get them at my local dealer for $350 each x 3 = $1,050.

Don’t listen to Sheep. You can’t blame him for hating Def Tech’s OVERALL F.R. I wish Def Tech would state all their F.R. as +/-3dB @ 90dB w/m too. But still, it’s their LAB and every Lab will differ with different techniques, etc.

 

[AVRat]

I wholeheartedly agree with AcuDefTechGuy above.

 

[krazer]

I would also like to ad that I use my speakers to listen to music, I would say 75% movies 25% music. I have been reading alot about def techs not being the best with music. I still havn't seen any other suggestions for a speaker system in the 1k to 2k range. I need l/c/r and rear speakers. I own a velodyne sub as I already mentioned.

thanks

 

[Warpdrv]

I vote for the company that doesn't lie about their products.

SheepStar

I believe this requires a follow up... Not questioning , just wondering what you meant... what are you referring to here buddy...?

 

[Sheep]

3rd party measurements have shown that Definitive Technology's FR measurements are inaccurate.

The measurements from Tom Nousiane are In room, corner loaded.

SheepStar

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

3rd party measurements have shown that Definitive Technology's FR measurements are inaccurate.

The measurements from Tom Nousiane are In room, corner loaded.

SheepStar

I think it's fine that Sheep or anyone thinks that Def Tech lies about their specs.
That's cool because I don't have any stocks in Def Tech or work for them or even know anyone who works for Def Tech. I not trying to defend Def Tech at all. Rather, I find it interesting debating the subject.

It certain makes things more exciting.

Yeah, I've noticed that a lot of different lab measurements with more than just one company like Def Tech. I have seen Home Theater Magazine lab results conflicting with just about every single speaker company out there.

For example, NHT states that the Classic Four has a F.R. of 27Hz-20kHz +/-3dB. But HT Mag says it is more like 40Hz-20kHz +/-3dB.

I can say the same about MB Quart. And if I look hard enough, I bet I can find the same thing about every single speaker out there.

Every Lab is different. Every room is different. Even the SPL meters differ. You will not find the exact same numbers. If you had 10 labs, you get 10 different numbers.
That's why they say specs are just one part of the whole story.

 

[Sheep]

What "Lab"? Measurements don't require a lab. Either a listening environment, or Anechoic Chamber/ Ground plain out doors.

The fact that the in-room measurements fell short means that ground plain or Anechoic chamber measurements would be even worse.

SheepStar

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I would also like to ad that I use my speakers to listen to music, I would say 75% movies 25% music. I have been reading alot about def techs not being the best with music. I still havn't seen any other suggestions for a speaker system in the 1k to 2k range. I need l/c/r and rear speakers. I own a velodyne sub as I already mentioned.

thanks

The final test will be listening to the speakers in your own room. Don't listen to me or anyone else. Make sure you can return those Def Tech speakers if you don't like them after a home audition. For Bipolar speakers are best when they are placed at least 24" from the back wall and side walls. If you get the BP7006, face the Active Subwoofer towards each other and away from the side walls. If you don't like them, just return them.

My Bipolar speakers did not sound very good to me when I auditioned them at Ultimate Electronics. So I gave them a home audition. At first I did not believe the spacing of bipolar speakers, so they did not sound good either. After proper placement, they sound extremely good. I have never heard music or home theater soundtrack sound that good in my life until I heard my BP7000SCs. I love these

But speakers and room acoustics are very individualized; everyone is different. So just do an in-home audition for yourself. You be the judge.

 

[pzaur]

Aperion has shipping both ways already covered.

I'd try the 633-Ts and the 533-Ts if you're looking for towers (they only have two without subs). I have the 533Ts and they do great. The 633s just have more bottom end to 'em. But, you won't notice that the 533s don't go as low when paired with a decent sub.

Very nice speakers. I'll be ordering a center to go with the fronts very soon.

Aperion's customer service has been very good to deal with and their packaging is excellent. Dual boxes with spacers. The speakers are then wrapped in a lovely velvet sleeve and are braced in their box with styrofoam cornering.

This company encourages you to try their products in home just by the fact that they don't charge a return shipping cost (unless you factor in that customers like me have already paid for a portion of it! )

Get the DefTechs and the Aperions. Do a side-by-side and then decide!

-pat

 

[mazersteven]

I would also like to ad that I use my speakers to listen to music, I would say 75% movies 25% music. I have been reading alot about def techs not being the best with music. I still havn't seen any other suggestions for a speaker system in the 1k to 2k range. I need l/c/r and rear speakers. I own a velodyne sub as I already mentioned.

thanks

Other systems. Here are a few I would put up against that Definitive Technology speaker system.

AV123

RS450 Front, RSC200 Center, RS250MkII Rear
http://www.av123.com/products_product.php?section=speakers&product=13.1

RS 760 Front, RSC 200 Center, RS 250MkII Rear
http://www.av123.com/products_product.php?section=speakers&product=10.1

Ascend Acoustics
Mains-- http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRM1/srm1.html
Center Channel-- http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRM1C/srm1c.html
Surrounds-- http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cbm170/cbm170.html