Any under $600 receivers that provide 5.1 channel HDMI audio?

AlphaWolf

AlphaWolf

Junior Audioholic
Like the title says, I am trying to find out which receivers support at least 5.1 channel lossless PCM audio over HDMI. It seems that many HDMI audio receivers out there either don't support audio over HDMI at all, or they only support stereo. I am on a tight budget as well, so I am looking at anything under $600, preferably cheaper.
 
avaserfi

avaserfi

Audioholic Ninja
He is looking for a receiver not speakers in that price range ;). As far as features go I don't think youll find one with those specs unless you run into a good deal on a refurb.

edit: why exactly is this a necessity if you don't mind me asking?
This thread might help you look for certain receivers though http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738511
 
AlphaWolf

AlphaWolf

Junior Audioholic
He is looking for a receiver not speakers in that price range ;). As far as features go I don't think youll find one with those specs unless you run into a good deal on a refurb.

edit: why exactly is this a necessity if you don't mind me asking?
Well, it has just come to my attention that HDMI 5.1 support is possibly going to be available for PCs within the next year or two, (possibly even earlier, Auzentech has announced an extender board for the Prelude that includes an HDMI output, no word on if it does full 5.1 though, but it would be totally pointless if it didn't) and I don't really want to have to upgrade my receiver in two years just to take advantage of that. I don't care about TrueHD or DTS-HD support, as if I need those, I'll make sure to get a next gen player that will convert those to LPCM on the fly.

Doesn't the Onkyo TX-SR605 support audio over HDMI? Can be had for $500 on amazon.com.
Does it do full surround though? Or just stereo? It's so hard to tell, most review sites don't include such information. I currently have my sight set on the Onkyo 604, but I have yet to determine if that has 5.1 HDMI audio support.
 
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Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
There are many receivers within that budget that do 5.1 LPCM via HDMI. The 605 of course, as well as the 604 and 674 all from Onkyo. The Yamaha RX-V661 also does it (up to 7.1 the manual says). All these receivers can be had for under $500. Sony may have receivers capable of these features, but I wouldn't buy them.:D H/K has some, as well as Denon, but I am pretty sure they come close to capping the budget.
 
M

MDS

Audioholic Spartan
Does it do full surround though? Or just stereo? It's so hard to tell, most review sites don't include such information. I currently have my sight set on the Onkyo 604, but I have yet to determine if that has 5.1 HDMI audio support.
Simplest way to find out is to go to http://www.onkyousa.com and get the manual (it's under downloads or support).

The only receivers that have HDMI but don't accept audio over HDMI are a few goofy models from Pioneer. Most others at least accept HDMI but some are simply pass-thru while others are true repeaters. The Onkyo models are repeaters.
 
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pupuplader

Audioholic Intern
The RX-V661 does offer PCM, I can personaly testify to that since I own one. However, I do not have a 5.1 speaker setup so I have not heard the actual performace.

I would say that the RX-V661 is the best deal because of this and its other features, and you can find it for $350.

The onkyo recievers are your next best choice IMO.
 
AlphaWolf

AlphaWolf

Junior Audioholic
Simplest way to find out is to go to http://www.onkyousa.com and get the manual (it's under downloads or support).

The only receivers that have HDMI but don't accept audio over HDMI are a few goofy models from Pioneer. Most others at least accept HDMI but some are simply pass-thru while others are true repeaters. The Onkyo models are repeaters.
Yeah I just poked around at the 604 manual, it says it supports 5.1 at up to 96khz/24-bit. That is pretty good, and this receiver is available for $400 at J&R. The 605 does 192khz/24-bit with full 8 channel, which is better but not essential.

You know what I think I am going to do though, is just return my pioneer to BB and hold off on building my sound system until after I move, which is anywhere from a month to a few months away. Meanwhile I am going to keep an eye on the prices of the Onkyo 604 and 605 receivers, and see if I can snipe either one of them up at around $350 (the 605 has gone for $399 at CC once, apparently.) I remember not too long ago the Onkyo 504 went on clearance at Fry's electronics and sold for around $150, whereas it was previously $250. I am thinking that the 604 is on the verge of doing the same thing, only not quite as low obviously. Even if not, from what I gather the prices of receivers tend to drop over the course of a few months after their initial release.

Also by that time, I can probably find the onix speakers on b-stock.

Even though I got the Pioneer 816 at a pretty good price, I think I would rather spend that extra $40 on the Onkyo 505 even if I end up not getting HDMI audio, as it sounds like it has a better amp (less power, but less distortion at lower volumes, which is more in line with my goals.)

EDIT: There may also be a benefit of the Onkyo 605 that I previously didn't consider when looking to build a sound system: The 605 offers a scaler that is superior to what my westinghouse TV has. The westy displays awesome 1080p content, but it is just absolutely horrible at upscaling from anything below that. From the sound of it, the 605 includes a superior scaling engine that would make up for what the westy lacks, further completing my home theater. I think I might pick one up from Fry's electronics for 30 days just to judge how well it can improve SD content on my westy, and if it does a good job then it'll be worth that extra $100 over the 604 IMO.
 
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Leprkon

Audioholic General
From the OP:

Currently prospecting on building a 5.1 setup for 60% playing games, 30% watching movies, 10% listening to music. Trying to stay under $650 for the speakers, but may go slightly higher *only* if that extra $50-$150 is well worth it. My goal is details in voices and subtle sounds and NOT loudness. I am looking for bookshelf or smaller size speakers.


I answered speakers... what's your problem ?
 
senna1a

senna1a

Enthusiast
Wolf, If you are waiting a few months on your purchase, I think you'll see more AVR's coming out with better scaling using the Reon video processing chip. Although they may be somewhat higher than your budget at this time, they should drive the cost down even more on some of the midpriced AVRs today in the Onkyo, Yamaha and HK lines.

Good luck on your search!
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
The only receivers that have HDMI but don't accept audio over HDMI are a few goofy models from Pioneer. Most others at least accept HDMI but some are simply pass-thru while others are true repeaters.
Pioneer has frustrated me with their last line, it makes no sense, even Sony has moved on to HDMI repeaters.:rolleyes:
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Yeah I just poked around at the 604 manual, it says it supports 5.1 at up to 96khz/24-bit. That is pretty good, and this receiver is available for $400 at J&R. The 605 does 192khz/24-bit with full 8 channel, which is better but not essential.

You know what I think I am going to do though, is just return my pioneer to BB and hold off on building my sound system until after I move, which is anywhere from a month to a few months away. Meanwhile I am going to keep an eye on the prices of the Onkyo 604 and 605 receivers, and see if I can snipe either one of them up at around $350 (the 605 has gone for $399 at CC once, apparently.) I remember not too long ago the Onkyo 504 went on clearance at Fry's electronics and sold for around $150, whereas it was previously $250. I am thinking that the 604 is on the verge of doing the same thing, only not quite as low obviously. Even if not, from what I gather the prices of receivers tend to drop over the course of a few months after their initial release.

Also by that time, I can probably find the onix speakers on b-stock.

Even though I got the Pioneer 816 at a pretty good price, I think I would rather spend that extra $40 on the Onkyo 505 even if I end up not getting HDMI audio, as it sounds like it has a better amp (less power, but less distortion at lower volumes, which is more in line with my goals.)

EDIT: There may also be a benefit of the Onkyo 605 that I previously didn't consider when looking to build a sound system: The 605 offers a scaler that is superior to what my westinghouse TV has. The westy displays awesome 1080p content, but it is just absolutely horrible at upscaling from anything below that. From the sound of it, the 605 includes a superior scaling engine that would make up for what the westy lacks, further completing my home theater. I think I might pick one up from Fry's electronics for 30 days just to judge how well it can improve SD content on my westy, and if it does a good job then it'll be worth that extra $100 over the 604 IMO.
It seems you are set to go with Onkyo, but I would like to add one last push for the Yamaha RX-V661 which does 7.1 LPCM over HDMI and features Simplay that helps ensure compatibility with other HDMI devices, and if you can get it for around $350 it is an extraordinary deal. It probably has about the same power as the Onkyo TX-SR604 and also has preouts for future power amplifier upgrades. If you go with the Onkyo TX-SR604 I am sure it will be better than what you had and will go great with your proposed system (which looks great by the way), I just think the Yamaha might be a tad better for you in the future particularly. If you can get preouts on a receiver that opens a lot of doors for future development if you deem it necessary at a later date when you get full size speakers.

Good luck.:)
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
As an owner of the Yamaha 661, I would recommend that one as well. I have used mine to do uncompressed PCM from my PS 3. Depending on the disc, it can be awesome, (Blackhawk Down), or no big deal, Underworld Evolution, Casino Royale).

You say you're only interested in 5.1 now, but why limit yourself? You know that sooner or later, you're going to get upgradeitis and want to check out 6.1 or 7.1. Why not buy a receiver that will give you that capability in the future?
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
As an owner of the Yamaha 661, I would recommend that one as well. I have used mine to do uncompressed PCM from my PS 3. Depending on the disc, it can be awesome, (Blackhawk Down), or no big deal, Underworld Evolution, Casino Royale).

You say you're only interested in 5.1 now, but why limit yourself? You know that sooner or later, you're going to get upgradeitis and want to check out 6.1 or 7.1. Why not buy a receiver that will give you that capability in the future?
Indeed, I finally have some support from an owner.:D
 
patnshan

patnshan

Senior Audioholic
As an owner of the Yamaha 661, I would recommend that one as well. I have used mine to do uncompressed PCM from my PS 3. Depending on the disc, it can be awesome, (Blackhawk Down), or no big deal, Underworld Evolution, Casino Royale).

You say you're only interested in 5.1 now, but why limit yourself? You know that sooner or later, you're going to get upgradeitis and want to check out 6.1 or 7.1. Why not buy a receiver that will give you that capability in the future?
I have just hooked up my new Yamaha RXV-661 to my 7.1 system and it sounds amazing! I did not get to hear a 7.1 source (there aren't many) but know it can do that. It does just fine with 5.1. I have the DVD player and cable box hooked to the receiver with only HDMI, so yes it does the audio as I can hear both loud and clear:D


I bought the yamaha instead of the Onkyo because:
1. I have had yamaha in the past and love the sound
2. I read the massive thread on AVS forums about all the glitches folks are having with the 605 and didn't want to have them.


Pat
 
AlphaWolf

AlphaWolf

Junior Audioholic
Hmmm...I did glance over the specs of the Yamaha a while ago and it does look interesting, but a cnet review pointed out that the Onkyo 605 isn't much more and offers truehd and some other whatnots that I may or may not ever use. Plus it offers the DCDi scaler, which will benefit my westy display.

Glitches of the Onkyo 605 though...I ought to read into that. TBH nothing annoys me more than technology that is full of bugs.

I am effectively looking at a $50 difference between these two (the 605 is $399 from J&R, with free shipping too,) so I am going to poke around the AVS thread to see what the deal is.

Either way, you guys have helped to narrow down my choice quite well, thanks :D

EDIT: BTW, how accurate is the auto equalizer on the Yamaha units? I can't find any reviews that effectively cover it.
 
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