psbfan9

psbfan9

Audioholic Samurai
I've been wanting a new avr but wanted to stray from the list of mass market recommended amps because I'm special. Yeah, like short bus special. :D

So, I've decided on a north American built Anthem MRX 500;

MRX 500 - Welcome to the New Official Anthem® Audio Video Website.

Other considerations were, Marantz 6007, Denon 3321ci, and NAD T748. The Anthem seemed the best fit for me.

Anyone have any thoughts?
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
Looks good. I do wonder though. What do you get that you aren't getting from your other choices? I'm in a similar boat is why I ask.
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
What do you get that you aren't getting from your other choices?
ARC, which is Anthem's room correction system.

I don't have any special commentary on it, though I've seen some people state that they prefer its target curve to that of Audyssey (any flavor).
 
Goat1

Goat1

Audioholic
Arc is about it. If that alone is worth it to you,its all good. Otherwise,you only get 4 HDMI ports,not much for streaming if any. If your the type of guy that is against mainstream receivers and want to go off the reservation just because,then this could be the receiver for you. But they aren't cheap. You can get an Onkyo 818 for dirt cheap and get a lot more,unless your all about ARC.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
It says "made in China":


At least Anthem got the sex right for their RS-232 port. I have a male RS-232 port on mine which I find to be bizarre. I have to special order a USB to null modem cable for me to be able to connect to my laptop.
 
Goat1

Goat1

Audioholic
Everything is made in China now,doesn't mean anything. I'm pretty sure there are standards over there that must be met..
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Everything is made in China now,doesn't mean anything. I'm pretty sure there are standards over there that must be met..
Not EVERYTHING is made in China.

But yes, "Made in China" is still great.

The ONLY reason I even mention it was because psbfan9 said it was built in NORTH AMERICA:

So, I've decided on a north American built Anthem MRX 500
 
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Goat1

Goat1

Audioholic
I see.. Every speaker that I had in my house,especially the RX8's were made in China and they had incredible build quality. The outsourcing to China used to mean low quality ,but today,these companies are directly involved in the China based manufacturing. Just read the article about the Sonus Fabre Veneres. Sonus Faber is directly involved in quality control and even train the chineese factory workers in Italy.. That's actually pretty impressive.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I see.. Every speaker that I had in my house,especially the RX8's were made in China and they had incredible build quality. The outsourcing to China used to mean low quality ,but today,these companies are directly involved in the China based manufacturing. Just read the article about the Sonus Fabre Veneres. Sonus Faber is directly involved in quality control and even train the chineese factory workers in Italy.. That's actually pretty impressive.
Well, my Salon2 were made in Mexico; it would not surprise me at all if Revel make them in China soon.
 
psbfan9

psbfan9

Audioholic Samurai
Looks good. I do wonder though. What do you get that you aren't getting from your other choices? I'm in a similar boat is why I ask.
Honestly, no bloat. I'm more of an audio than video guy. From what I have read Anthem has an audio first mentality. And the price I was given seemed fair. As Steve81 said, "ARC" was another selling point.

ARC, which is Anthem's room correction system.

I don't have any special commentary on it, though I've seen some people state that they prefer its target curve to that of Audyssey (any flavor).
Yes, this a is large part of my decision.

Arc is about it. If that alone is worth it to you,its all good. Otherwise,you only get 4 HDMI ports,not much for streaming if any. If your the type of guy that is against mainstream receivers and want to go off the reservation just because,then this could be the receiver for you. But they aren't cheap. You can get an Onkyo 818 for dirt cheap and get a lot more,unless your all about ARC.
I have feature laden Onkyo now. I only use 1/4 of all that it offers. So these features are useless to me. I would rather pay more for a beefy amp section than for 'accessories' that I would never use.

It says "made in China":


After a phone call to Anthem, this is true. The pre's and power amps are made in North America, but the AVR's are made in China. Yes, most things are made in China. But, when presented with an opportunity to buy American, or North American items, I will pay more and buy these items over Asian made.
 
P

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
So have you pulled the trigger yet? I wouldn't worry about the made in China part because most gear in that price range would be made in China or Malaysia anyway. As others have said if you really believe in their ARC being the best REQ (no idea why people would) then that is the one to get for under 1K, otherwise you can get more bang for buck even in terms of power output.

In case you haven't read the HTM review on the bigger MRX700, below are the power output measurements, the MRX500 would likely give just a little less.

HT Labs Measures

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 86.3 watts
1% distortion at 93.7 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 43.9 watts
1% distortion at 52.6 watts

These results seem consistent with its moderate "maximum" power consumption of 500W specified in the manual for the MRX300/500/700, though I cannot understand why they all have the same power consumption figures when the specified power ratings are 80/100/120W.
 
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Cos

Cos

Audioholic Samurai
Anthem ARC is really excellent room correction for home theater, as there has been many positive write ups about it. ARC on the Receivers does differ from the separates (D2V AVM Series) in the sense that with the HD is downgraded from 96k to 48k when it is enabled. The Pre/Pro passes 96k signal in the native form. An interesting note is that even the Marantz AV8801 does not pass 96k with XT32 enabled.

I know a lot of people don't like to utilize room correction, but my experience working with an AVM50 and ARC was very positive. Now if Paradigm/Anthem would come out of the dark ages a bit and update their pre/pros I would switch back in a heart beat.

Anthem Room Correction (ARC) System - Part 1 - Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity
 
P

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Anthem ARC is really excellent room correction for home theater, as there has been many positive write ups about it. ARC on the Receivers does differ from the separates (D2V AVM Series) in the sense that with the HD is downgraded from 96k to 48k when it is enabled. The Pre/Pro passes 96k signal in the native form. An interesting note is that even the Marantz AV8801 does not pass 96k with XT32 enabled.

I know a lot of people don't like to utilize room correction, but my experience working with an AVM50 and ARC was very positive. Now if Paradigm/Anthem would come out of the dark ages a bit and update their pre/pros I would switch back in a heart beat.

Anthem Room Correction (ARC) System - Part 1 - Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity
I do believe theoretically 96 kHz does not automatically offer better sound quality, and from my own comparison listening experience I have hard time telling the difference between even 192/24 and 44.1/16 (CD). I have many CD that sounds better than 192/24 flac/wave and/or SACDs. So to me Denon/Marantz (apparently nothing to do with Audyssey as they don't impose that limit) may be smart enough to use their available processing power in areas that counts.

As to Anthem ARC vs others, they may be superior but not able to see any hard proof, going by blind faith I put more faith in Audyssey base on circumstance factors only. Some people get fixated on what they called the "notch" filter but that's one opinion vs the founder of Audyssey who is also an EE with a PhD degree. Besides, the AV8801/AVR-4311/4520 all can be calibrated with a Pro kit so the option is there albeit at additional cost. Fortunately in my room I mainly need it for bass management and harmonizing my 4 subs and the bass capable L/R/Cs. It does not do much for me in mids and highs I guess the acoustic characteristics of my room is pretty good already.:D
 
Cos

Cos

Audioholic Samurai
I do believe theoretically 96 kHz does not automatically offer better sound quality, and from my own comparison listening experience I have hard time telling the difference between even 192/24 and 44.1/16 (CD). I have many CD that sounds better than 192/24 flac/wave and/or SACDs. So to me Denon/Marantz (apparently nothing to do with Audyssey as they don't impose that limit) may be smart enough to use their available processing power in areas that counts.

As to Anthem ARC vs others, they may be superior but not able to see any hard proof, going by blind faith I put more faith in Audyssey base on circumstance factors only. Some people get fixated on what they called the "notch" filter but that's one opinion vs the founder of Audyssey who is also an EE with a PhD degree. Besides, the AV8801/AVR-4311/4520 all can be calibrated with a Pro kit so the option is there albeit at additional cost. Fortunately in my room I mainly need it for bass management and harmonizing my 4 subs and the bass capable L/R/Cs. It does not do much for me in mids and highs I guess the acoustic characteristics of my room is pretty good already.:D
While I don't have the background to state that 96kHz will automatically sound better, I will go so far to state as that it has the potential to sound better. In regards to ARC, I won't completely discount "Blind Faith" statement, but the above link provided measurable characteristics that give it a little more credence as a viable room correction alternative to Audyssey. It was not my intention to debate which is better, as much to state that ARC is a often reviewed commodity and in general receives very positive feedback and has some theoretical advantages to Audyssey. In the same respect I have the Integra with XT32, but I won't automatically think it's better because it's founder has a PhD. I have worked with both, and since my speaker setup was a little different, I can't state if it has a sonic impact. I can however definitely state that Anthem definitely gives you a better MIC then my Integra 80.3 or my short term AV7005 did. :D

At the end of the day I would prefer my room correction to pass the 96kHz signal exactly as it sent.

Back to the Original Topic:

My point is for an entry level AVR, the MX300 comes with a very comprehensive room correction included.
 
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P

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
While I don't have the background to state that 96kHz will automatically sound better, I will go so far to state as that it has the potential to sound better.
FYI there are also technical arguments for the opposite, that it could potentially make things worse. I really don't care either way because my own experience tell me it is the quality of the recording that counts most. I have no shortage of CDs that sound better than SACDs within my own collection, and I definitely cannot tell the difference between my 96 and 196 kHz flac files either. If the higher sampling frequencies sound better to you that's great but then I think you can do even better by also focussing on acquiring high quality media digital files and discs etc.

In regards to ARC, I won't completely discount "Blind Faith" statement,
Just to be clear, when I mentioned blind faith, I referred to myself. I seem to have somehow developed enough blind faith in Audyssey, simply going by published "technical" information, the fact that it has been widely adopted by reputable companies including Marantz (even before D&M if I remember right), Onkyo, even NAD, and other circumstancial factors.

but the above link provided measurable characteristics that give it a little more credence as a viable room correction alternative to Audyssey.
Thanks for the link, I read that article before, and will read it again. Problem is that there aren't much of what I consider hard facts in it that proves its effectiveness. For example, there isn't much, if any, visuals about what it does in the time domain. As to being a viable RC alternative to Audyssey, I have no doubt that it could be. In fact I said it could well be superior, but we can only speculate or simply choose to have blind faith. I guess having spending so many years in science and engineering I am too used to having to prove things out. Anyone who has taken math at college level or higher will know what I mean.

It was not my intention to debate which is better,
It was never my intention to debate either. There is no need as we all are only expressing our opinions, not necessarily facts. I have seen no proof that shows one is better than the other, and what is better is probably not well defined to begin with.

and has some theoretical advantages to Audyssey.
To me you are stating your opinion but you could be right, again, it would be nice if there are proof. I read reviews and publications on both products and like anything else there are bound to be pros and cons for both. I am sure if you have read some of the reviews and technical publications on Audyssey and other REQ software.

In the same respect I have the Integra with XT32, but I won't automatically think it's better because it's founder has a PhD.
OMG, that wouldn't even cross my mind, of course not, it is not even logical thinking. I only mentioned the founder "also".........with a PhD, simply to mean: like others, e.g. Dr. Rich, author of the article you linked... so please don't get so super sensitive as though you need to defend your beloved ARC, as it is not under attacked at all. Having said that, I would take the 80.3 or AV7005 any day over any MRX AVR because of everything else, ARC/Audyssey is just one small factor for me as I use REQ for bass management only.

I have worked with both, and since my speaker setup was a little different, I can't state if it has a sonic impact. I can however definitely state that Anthem definitely gives you a better MIC then my Integra 80.3 or my short term AV7005 did. :D
Sure, that's your experience, others could well be different. Good thing there are so many choices.

At the end of the day I would prefer my room correction to pass the 96kHz signal exactly as it sent.
We all have our own preference, I probably prefer no down conversation as well, even though I am sure it won't sound any different to me either way. If the Anthem prepro can process at twice the frequency I just wonder what gives. Again, I really don't care, just curious as I doubt their prepro has more raw processing power than D&M's flagships models so it could have been a matter of give and take.


Back to the Original Topic:
My point is for an entry level AVR, the MX300 comes with a very comprehensive room correction included.
I agree, too bad I won't base my AVR/prepro choice on REQ only, but one of these days I may just bite the bullet and grab the baby MRX300 or its successor, just to play with the software.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
C

canelli

Audioholic
Some people get fixated on what they called the "notch" filter but that's one opinion vs the founder of Audyssey who is also an EE with a PhD degree.
Audyssey has multiple target curves, but the end user is limited to just one that is designed for smaller rooms. The Pro kit is required to remove the notch filter and select the other curves. Due to space/placement limitations, I rely on room correction to help with the bass response. I have always wanted more control over Audyssey, but the extra cost for the Pro kit just isn't worth it to me.

Congrats and look forward to hearing about your experience with ARC.
 
P

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
The Pro kit is required to remove the notch filter
I realize that and did mention it in my post too, Audyssey calls that thing midrange compensation and claimed that it comes from psychoacoustics as needed. Of course people from the competing camp prefer to call it a "notch" filter and claimed that its all bad. Regardless, it is nice to have the pro kit in order to have the option to remove that "compensation" and do the other things that you mentioned.


Due to space/placement limitations, I rely on room correction to help with the bass response. I have always wanted more control over Audyssey, but the extra cost for the Pro kit just isn't worth it to me.
I have the same constraint and find it quite effective in doing a better job than me spending hours to fine tune my subs. Other than that I use L/R bypass for HT and direct/pure direct for 2 channel stereo music program.

I would love to say congratulations to psbfan9 as well but just not sure if he did pull the trigger on the MRX500 or not. I am tempted to grab the lower priced 300 for myself instead of spending almost as much on the Audyssey Pro kit. I see the MRX as an interesting affordable toy for me.:D All of my previous remarks on the MRX are nothing more than want to counter hearsays/opinions with my own opinions and hearsays. I do have faith in Anthem products, and in act already am a proud owner.
 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
Well Peng

I picked up my 300 for 900.00 cdn...it was a welcome change from the usual contenders like...Yamaha and Denon units...I had in the past. Amp section IMHO is pretty stout regardless of the specs.
 
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