Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania...Disney has a Marvel Problem

[Cos]

Like the good nerd that I am, was able to see Ant-Man & the Wasp: Quantumania yesterday. To me this movie does little more than to set up Marvel for the multiverse.

Paul Rudd and Michelle Phiefer turn in good performances, but Michael Douglass and Evangeline Lilly are pretty much only there to move along a joke and have no real substance in the film. There is zero chemistry developed between Ant-Man and the Wasp. I did not like Kathryne Newton (Cassie) in this film or her previous appearances on Supernatural, she is just not a good actress. Kang the Conqueror has the potential to be a good villain for future franchises

It tries often for humor and only succeeds part of the time. C/C-Movie leaving me wondering if Marvel is heading on the DC path to bad movies

 

[isolar8001]

Like the good nerd that I am, was able to see Ant-Man & the Wasp: Quantumania yesterday. To me this movie does little more than to set up Marvel for the multiverse.

Paul Rudd and Michelle Phiefer turn in good performances, but Michael Douglass and Evangeline Lilly are pretty much only there to move along a joke and have no real substance in the film. There is zero chemistry developed between Ant-Man and the Wasp. I did not like Kathryne Newton (Cassie) in this film or her previous appearances on Supernatural, she is just not a good actress. Kang the Conqueror has the potential to be a good villain for future franchises

It tries often for humor and only succeeds part of the time. C/C-Movie leaving me wondering if Marvel is heading on the DC path to bad movies

Haven't seen it, but given their track record of the past two years...It's high time to send Fiege packing. One disaster after another.
Disney isn't going to tolerate his questionable choices much longer.

 

[lovinthehd]

Dunno about the sending Fiege packing thing, seems to be doing fine with revenues https://www.statista.com/statistics/323886/marvel-comics-films-production-costs-box-office-revenue/

I'm looking forward to this one, but it'll be a while before I can rent the bluray....Ant Man series I think is with Deadpool the best sub genres/character sets going in the MCU.

 

[isolar8001]

Disney cracking down on Marvel’s Phase 5 output and beyond

Price and pace are leading CEO Bob Iger to rethink the MCU

www.polygon.com

Looks like Feige is already being targeted....these movies aren't losing much money, but they aint makin' money like they used to.

 

[lovinthehd]

Disney cracking down on Marvel’s Phase 5 output and beyond

Price and pace are leading CEO Bob Iger to rethink the MCU

www.polygon.com

Looks like Feige is already being targeted....these movies aren't losing much money, but they aint makin' money like they used to.

Is that Feige's fault or the public has had enough Marvel for a while I wonder? There's only some much comic book superhero stuff I can take myself....

 

[isolar8001]

There has definitely been way too much of a once good thing.

It's Fieges fault the direction the MCU has been going. Bad TV shows, bad movies about C-list characters.
Can't say what anyone can do about a superhero universe where the main superheroes are gone though.

 

[Cos]

Is that Feige's fault or the public has had enough Marvel for a while I wonder? There's only some much comic book superhero stuff I can take myself....

I can take the comic book stuff obviously, what I can't take is a poorly written script. I am sure there will be Superhero burnout, but as long as the story is good, people will keep coming back. Hell, with a 48% review by rotten tomato's, people are still coming back to Ant-Man in the tune of 63M on Friday Box office. Curious to see week 1 drop off % on this one.

 

[Dude#1279435]

I can take the comic book stuff obviously, what I can't take is a poorly written script. I am sure there will be Superhero burnout, but as long as the story is good, people will keep coming back. Hell, with a 48% review by rotten tomato's, people are still coming back to Ant-Man in the tune of 63M on Friday Box office. Curious to see week 1 drop off % on this one.

The new fans will come to see them, but what you're saying is there's burnout AND the scripts are not coming in very good. The mediocre scripts are for the second-tier characters until they can think of better ideas for the top franchises. And even then it's still making money.

 

[Cos]

The new fans will come to see them, but what you're saying is there's burnout AND the scripts are not coming in very good. The mediocre scripts are for the second-tier characters until they can think of better ideas for the top franchises. And even then it's still making money.

The original Dr. Strange, even Ant-Man 1&2 had very good scripts. In the case of Dr. Strange, I thought is stayed very close to the source material.

Mediocre scrips are not just reserved for second-tier characters.

• Thor, Love and Thunder,
• I would not call Thor a 2nd Tier character
• Thor Ragernock outperformed Love and Thunder by almost 100 million dollars.

I would say that there is some burnout, and that the script of L&T was poor. That was my point. Marvel movies will always have an audience, but to discount burnout and poor scripts only for second-tier characters would be a misstatement. If you also take into the account the budget of L&T was almost 70 million more, that is a signficant downturn. Marvel hype is still there, it will be frontloaded with the audience, but I am curious how the drop off would be in the long term.

Thor Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers

Thor franchise box office earnings

www.the-numbers.com

 

[cpp]

Like the good nerd that I am, was able to see Ant-Man & the Wasp: Quantumania yesterday. To me this movie does little more than to set up Marvel for the multiverse.

Paul Rudd and Michelle Phiefer turn in good performances, but Michael Douglass and Evangeline Lilly are pretty much only there to move along a joke and have no real substance in the film. There is zero chemistry developed between Ant-Man and the Wasp. I did not like Kathryne Newton (Cassie) in this film or her previous appearances on Supernatural, she is just not a good actress. Kang the Conqueror has the potential to be a good villain for future franchises

It tries often for humor and only succeeds part of the time. C/C-Movie leaving me wondering if Marvel is heading on the DC path to bad movies

What I don't get anymore is why is freaking Hollowood trying to place humor in these movies. When did villains and superheros' become comics. Its killing the films in my opinion. It appears to have started big time with the last Thor movie, 'Thor: Love and Thunder' which I agree with one review "In trying to balance comedy with drama and merging multiple classic comic storylines into a single narrative, Thor's fourth solo adventure spreads itself too thin and ends up feeling shallow "

 

[Dude#1279435]

The original Dr. Strange, even Ant-Man 1&2 had very good scripts. In the case of Dr. Strange, I thought is stayed very close to the source material.

Mediocre scrips are not just reserved for second-tier characters.

• Thor, Love and Thunder,
• I would not call Thor a 2nd Tier character
• Thor Ragernock outperformed Love and Thunder but almost 100 million dollars.

I would say that there is some burnout, and that the script of L&T was poor. That was my point. Marvel movies will always have an audience, but to discount burnout and poor scripts only for second-tier characters would be a misstatement. If you also take into the account the budget of L&T was almost 70 million more, that is a signficant downturn. Marvel hype is still there, it will be frontloaded with the audience, but I am curious how the drop off would be in the long term.

Thor Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers

Thor franchise box office earnings

www.the-numbers.com

Thor isn't a second-tier character, but he's done better when casted along side other Marvel characters. For whatever reason I'm not sure. He does have a pretty strong comedic element. While he might have the most powerful super powers, he's also strangely in popularity still behind Capt, Iron Man, and Spidey in a way. Err that's my perception.

There's probably many factors but yeah one of them is fan expectations when it's like well now what do we do?

 

[j_garcia]

I think the problem they have is to be expected. Burn out is #1, but there is burnout because they keep shoveling crap out. Rather than focusing on getting something in front of audiences just to keep profits flowing, they should consider actually taking their time and making something good. Their thinking seems to be "we can put out 3-4 average movies to fill in until we can put out one good one to keep people interested" That is a very corporate approach and it shows.

 

[Dude#1279435]

I think the problem they have is to be expected. Burn out is #1, but there is burnout because they keep shoveling crap out. Rather than focusing on getting something in front of audiences just to keep profits flowing, they should consider actually taking their time and making something good. Their thinking seems to be "we can put out 3-4 average movies to fill in until we can put out one good one to keep people interested" That is a very corporate approach and it shows.

I think the biggest problem just might be fans keep going to crap.

 

[Dude#1279435]

I think it's a number of things: saturation, burnout, fan expectations that are not realistic, Disney behaving like a corporation etc.

Also, do you want Marvel to continue to dominate the industry? Basically it's MCU, Star Wars, and John Wick. I agree with Tarantino when he said there's no representation. To Marvel's credit that's how it became, but moving forward is that what you want? I see some Marvel fans looking around wondering what do we watch now?

 

[Cos]

My point is verified about quick drop off of box office. Ant Man is down 70% from the 1st weekend to the 2nd. But too their defense they were going up against....Cocaine Bear LOL. Though I shouldn't laugh it did 23mil in box office

 

[Dude#1279435]

Jackman is done as Wolverine. Downey retired from Iron Man. There's saturation with IM, Capt etc. Not only did they each have a handful of individual movies, but there also was how many Avengers movies??? Iron Man also made a visit into Spidey movies, which I didn't care for. About what I see left having decent to good runs is Guardians3, Deadpool3, and Spidey3. I'm not really seeing a lot of room for a return for some of these other characters immediately. And if so, would it even be the original actor playing them? Fantastic Four could be a good one. It never was done well. (Though I don't know which studio owns the rights.)

 

[isolar8001]

Fantastic Four could be a good one. It never was done well. (Though I don't know which studio owns the rights.)

Hopefully.....just seems in hindsight Marvel has done all of this backasswards. I collected the comics in the 60's.
It should have started with Fantastic Four first, and then grew. Who will the Four interact with now ? She-Hulk? Echo?
I understand it went down the way it went down, but you can't have the MCU consist of all D list characters from now on.

 

[Kvn_Walker]

The whole thing should have stopped after Endgame. Every movie since has been merely okay or just not that great.

 

[j_garcia]

I think you mean Marvel, now that they are owned by Disney, has a Disney problem.

Jackman will be playing Wolverine one last time in Deadpool 3, even if it might be cameo/short only. Deadpool doesn't fit their formula and don't really directly tie into any of the other films, so those previous two were both fun.

Cocaine Bear looks hilarious. Not sure I would go to the theater to watch it though lol.

 

[Cos]

Jackman is done as Wolverine. Downey retired from Iron Man. There's saturation with IM, Capt etc. Not only did they each have a handful of individual movies, but there also was how many Avengers movies??? Iron Man also made a visit into Spidey movies, which I didn't care for. About what I see left having decent to good runs is Guardians3, Deadpool3, and Spidey3. I'm not really seeing a lot of room for a return for some of these other characters immediately. And if so, would it even be the original actor playing them? Fantastic Four could be a good one. It never was done well. (Though I don't know which studio owns the rights.)

Disney has regained the rights to Fantastic Four if I remember correctly in 2019, in part due to their acquisition of Fox