Another Disgrace from Gestapo USA.

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dlaloum

Audioholic Chief
WRT the past paragraph- demanding higher wages with the backing of labor unions created a world where factory workers who, if you ever discussed ANYTHING with the ones who were working in the '60s and '70s, can't be called 'overly intelligent. Yes, many were, but mostly, the ones who were gung ho union mebmers were saying "They make millions on our backs" without a second's thought about who started the company, paid for the buildings, set up the company, pays for all kinds of things they never see and then, when the employees become so grateful for the higher than average wages go on strike, who feels the pain? The company feels it the most, followed by the workers who are paid a pittance by the union and maybe collecting unemployment until the strike ends. Who feels ABSOLUTELY no pain? The unions. The dues they collect funds future retirees and current expenses but at some point, which is NOW, the benefits end without the workers having any input while the unions carry on.

That leads to the effec from teh higher wages- higher prices for the goods they make. One of the gyujs my dad worked with at Harley-Davidson was one of the biggest PITA loudmouths I have ever met and the quote about "...on our backs" is something that little piss ant used to try to make his point but if someone saw his pickup, they would have seen a 'Buy Union' bumper sticker on it. He drove a Toyota, before Toyota built factories in the US.

High prices make people want more money from their job and it's a never-ending cycle. People bitch about foreign manufacturing, but they'll also stop at nothing to find the lowest prices.
And yet nations that have not destroyed their unions seem to survive quite well, without driving their blue collar workers down to 3rd world salary levels....

Most of Europe has succeeded that way - the difference between lowest paid and highest paid categories is much much narrower, and the health and social welfare support structures also ensure that a lower living wage is survivable... it is the entire infrastructure. The divide between European systems and the US system was much much smaller than it is now.

The US led the charge to neo-liberalism... but the US has also demonstrably got vast areas of 3rd world income ( / poverty), which the Europeans for the most part don't have.

US parochialism extends to the tendency to not look at the successes of other external environments/Nations....
 
everettT

everettT

Audioholic Spartan
The US led the charge to neo-liberalism... but the US has also demonstrably got vast areas of 3rd world income ( / poverty), which the Europeans for the most part don't have.
Do you or could you believe that poverty level isn't equal due to the European's overly generous with their handouts? The poverty level of US citizens is higher than noncitizens over the last 20 years, which I still don't fully understand, but that would explain it.
 
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dlaloum

Audioholic Chief
Do you or could you believe that poverty level isn't equal due to the European's overly generous with their handouts? The poverty level of US citizens is higher than noncitizens over the last 20 years, which I still don't fully understand, but that would explain it.
"Overly Generous"

Actually when you look at trials of universal basic income, all around the world, the end result is exemplary - previously unemployed or unemployable, end up with jobs, set up small businesses, ultimately make the UBI redundant...

The underlying assumptions of neo-liberalism (the primary form of US capitalism) have been debunked, over and over...but Orwellian "Newspeak" turns black into white and vice versa.... Even the IMF and the World Bank - institutions that spent decades promoting and forcing neo-liberal policies on the third world, changed their tune and ended up saying that thos policies were counter-productive!
Trickle down economics!?! - the reality is trickle up economics.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
My reading is that it was relatively common right up through the 70's - the attack on unions and de-unionisation of much of the workforce succeeded in reducing the average blue collar income, and made that "American Dream" unreachable. (which was of course touted as a huge success... which it was for the big corporate employers, their costs dropped!)
I wouldn't be surprised if it were, but my perspective was through what image was being televised, which to me anyway was 50s idealism. So yeah more of a fictional take than what the numbers suggest.
 
everettT

everettT

Audioholic Spartan
"Overly Generous"

Actually when you look at trials of universal basic income, all around the world, the end result is exemplary - previously unemployed or unemployable, end up with jobs, set up small businesses, ultimately make the UBI redundant...

The underlying assumptions of neo-liberalism (the primary form of US capitalism) have been debunked, over and over...but Orwellian "Newspeak" turns black into white and vice versa.... Even the IMF and the World Bank - institutions that spent decades promoting and forcing neo-liberal policies on the third world, changed their tune and ended up saying that thos policies were counter-productive!
Trickle down economics!?! - the reality is trickle up economics.
It was a question, but since you brought up universal basic income, feel free to cite sources.
 
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