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jh122002

Audiophyte
So I need to power sound to 2 rooms. Each room with 4 speakers (Boston Acoustics Runabout II). Yes they are older (8ohms, 4.5" woofers). Each room has a volume control for the 4 speakers. The amp/receiver that was there was a cheap Denon and it crashed and burned.

I have been looking around and found the:
HTD A-2106 and an AudioSource 110.

Will these work? Is there something better?

Just need one input (Ipod)

These are decent size rooms 30x30 with 20' ceilings.

Needs to be loud. Sports locker room.

Thanks for your help and guidance!
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
So I need to power sound to 2 rooms. Each room with 4 speakers (Boston Acoustics Runabout II). Yes they are older (8ohms, 4.5" woofers). Each room has a volume control for the 4 speakers. The amp/receiver that was there was a cheap Denon and it crashed and burned.

I have been looking around and found the:
HTD A-2106 and an AudioSource 110.

Will these work? Is there something better?

Just need one input (Ipod)

These are decent size rooms 30x30 with 20' ceilings.

Needs to be loud. Sports locker room.

Thanks for your help and guidance!
You need something commercial.

You can not play those speakers loud, and you likely have some fried voice coil turns already, which may well have taken down your Denon.

Domestic equipment is NOT deigned for your application and will void the warranty.

You need commercial PA amps and speakers for your situation.
 
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jh122002

Audiophyte
Thanks for the quick response!

Any suggestions of brands that I should go with?

These speakers have last over 10 years and still sound ok.

You don't think I should go with a 70v system do you?

Thanks for your help!!
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Thanks for the quick response!

Any suggestions of brands that I should go with?

These speakers have last over 10 years and still sound ok.

You don't think I should go with a 70v system do you?

Thanks for your help!!
I need to know a lot more details about your situation, room size, where you want the speakers, ambient noise levels, music sources etc, before answering the question.
 
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jh122002

Audiophyte
Again thanks for taking the time to provide some advice...

Both rooms are identical. About 30 feet x 30 feet with about 15 foot ceilings. Walls are cinder blocks. There are wood stalls and capet/rubber on the floor. It's a hockey locker room. Somewhat humid ( I think that's why they used the indoor/outdoor speakers in the first place).

The rooms are connected by a 30 foot hallway.

Ambient noise wise it is just conversations. Some louder then others!

Input would probably be just an iPod. Same source for both rooms.

Current speakers are located about 10 feet off floor with 2 on front wall and 2 on back wall. Speakers are roughly in corners.

Hope that helps. Please let me know if you have any more questions.

Again Thanks!

-Jason
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Again thanks for taking the time to provide some advice...

Both rooms are identical. About 30 feet x 30 feet with about 15 foot ceilings. Walls are cinder blocks. There are wood stalls and capet/rubber on the floor. It's a hockey locker room. Somewhat humid ( I think that's why they used the indoor/outdoor speakers in the first place).

The rooms are connected by a 30 foot hallway.

Ambient noise wise it is just conversations. Some louder then others!

Input would probably be just an iPod. Same source for both rooms.

Current speakers are located about 10 feet off floor with 2 on front wall and 2 on back wall. Speakers are roughly in corners.

Hope that helps. Please let me know if you have any more questions.

Again Thanks!

-Jason
In a situation like that, I would definitely use a 70 volt system. There is no place for domestic equipment in an environment like that.

I would use wall mounted speakers, of an outside rating to tolerate the humidity. Obviously there will be a tapped transformer at each speaker to distribute power as required. With cinder block walls I would be inclined to use more speakers rather then less, so everybody is in close earshot of a speaker, and no speaker will have to be very loud.

Do you know how to set up a 70 volt system?
 
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jh122002

Audiophyte
I am not super fimliar with 70v systems. I thought they were designed for places like offices and retail stores that want to have background music and an overhead paging system. Will it be able to produce enough sound for my situation? What's the advatange of this vs a traditional system?

How many speakers would you recommend? How do yo deal with the transformer for each speaker? Does it attach to the wall as well?

Can you still use a volume control for each room?

Again, I can't thank you enough for your help!

Jason
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I am not super fimliar with 70v systems. I thought they were designed for places like offices and retail stores that want to have background music and an overhead paging system. Will it be able to produce enough sound for my situation? What's the advatange of this vs a traditional system?

How many speakers would you recommend? How do yo deal with the transformer for each speaker? Does it attach to the wall as well?

Can you still use a volume control for each room?

Again, I can't thank you enough for your help!

Jason
In your situation with cinder block walls you will have a lot of reverb problems. I would place a speaker at each stall with a wall bracket. Your ceilings are too high for ceiling speakers.

You can use any speaker you want and might a 70 volt transformer by each speaker, or get speakers that already have transformer.

In your situation I would use mono and not stereo. In your situation that works best. If you want it loud you will need speakers bigger than 4.5 inches.

If you do not use a 70 volt system you will have to use impedance matching volume controls. This wastes a lot of your amp power.

With a 70 volt system you can wire with cheap bell wire and have no losses.

Now you can distribute power to individual speakers, so some are louder then others.

You take the power of your amp, and the sum of all the taps must equal the amp power, with a fudge factor for losses.

You can control the volume to each room with a stepped auto transformer control.

In your situation this is the way to go. It is safe and reliable and will do the job for you over the long haul.

Your volume will depend on your amp power, power handling of your speakers and their efficiency.

If you are not experienced you should consider a professional installer, although working with 70 volt systems is actually very straight forward. You just must understand the really very simple rules of the power distribution by transformer tap.
 
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jh122002

Audiophyte
Ok... You convinced me that a 70v system is the way to go. The only thing that shocked me is that you recommended a speaker at each stall. There are 25 stalls in each room. That sounds like over kill to me? Plus pricey.

So what brands do you recommend for gear? Amp and speakers.

Any good online retailers?

Thanks again for your help!

Jason
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Ok... You convinced me that a 70v system is the way to go. The only thing that shocked me is that you recommended a speaker at each stall. There are 25 stalls in each room. That sounds like over kill to me? Plus pricey.

So what brands do you recommend for gear? Amp and speakers.

Any good online retailers?

Thanks again for your help!

Jason
I'm not a mind reader. I did not know you had 25 stalls in each room. So to help you further I need an architectural plan of your area.

It seems to me you have a lot of people there and you are going to be in a pile of legal trouble if this installation is not done by licensed individuals.

This project is now beyond the scope of an HT/domestic audio forum.

You need to call the pros for your legal protection.
 
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jh122002

Audiophyte
I am sorry if I wasn't clear enough for you. I will call a pro.

Thanks again for your time
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I am sorry if I wasn't clear enough for you. I will call a pro.

Thanks again for your time
I have been thinking about your problem.

You have a very large ambient space with high ceilings. It sounds like a noisy environment with a lot of reflections. (Echoes).

I don't know what you mean by loud, but loud in these circumstances is difficult.

You have two ways of going.

Lots of small speakers near each individual. This improves clarity and no speaker has to be very loud. This probably will require a speaker in each stall.

If you want it like a dance hall, then a professional central horn cluster suspended from the ceiling will be the way to go. You will get a lot of spl and coverage for a lot less amp power. However although the number of speakers will be a lot less, done properly this solution will be more expensive.

If you must have loud, and I don't see why, this is the way to go.

I can see now why you fried domestic equipment.

This is not a venue for any domestic equipment at all.b
 
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