Amp design.

[zumbo]

If you pick the negative in any review, then afraid there is nothing that can remotely satisfy you. I had the Krell KSA-150, as an amp, it was formidable, excellent dynamics and control, superb low impedance power handling but guess what, it was shrill and harsh, at that price point it made my Martil Logan Quests sound like a cave full of bats, that would not take out the fact that Krell makes fantastic amps, pair them with Magnepan and they sound excellent, fact about the Stereophille report on MX-D1 was that they were impressed with its sound despite of the negative points and thats what that matters most.

So, like I said, you pick-out the good. If that makes you happy, then good.

I pick-out the bad.

 

[MDS]

So, like I said, you pick-out the good. If that makes you happy, then good.

I pick-out the bad.

I'm with you on that. 'Reviews' are for all intents and purposes worthless. I've never seen a review for anything that didn't say in effect 'good for this price range'.

I want to know about the problems. What any particular product does well is usually pretty similar to what another good product does well. It's the shortcomings and stupid design decisions that I want to know about.

 

[PENG]

I'm with you on that. 'Reviews' are for all intents and purposes worthless. I've never seen a review for anything that didn't say in effect 'good for this price range'.

I want to know about the problems. What any particular product does well is usually pretty similar to what another good product does well. It's the shortcomings and stupid design decisions that I want to know about.

Same here, but I do value the lab measurements (that sometimes are included as part of the review) a little more, with the hope that those who performed the tests and measurements did so in a consistent manner regardless of the their personal feeling towards the products being measured.

 

[Yamahaluver]

I let my ears do the picking, not reviews, have always done that and will continue to do so in future.

 

[Tyreman]

Tough to call.
Differing amplifier designs with eachs adherants......
In the real world amplifiers are not connected to constant impedance sources.
Speaker resistance can very widely from model(s) to model(s) at cabinet resonanace points(low end), crossover areas and just plain due to various individual product design layouts....... then theres the cabling types,lengths from the amp to speaker and what it passes over/around and along the way to its termination points.

 

[zumbo]

I let my ears do the picking, not reviews, have always done that and will continue to do so in future.

Yamaha NS-1000M, NS-1000x, Yamaha MX-1000 and MX-1 power amp, Yamaha CDX-1050 CDP, Accuphase DP70V CDP, Canton Ergo 120 speakers, Technics SL-1200 Mk-II TT. For HT, Yamaha Z9 with three Yamaha subs, two YST SW800 and one YST SW320 in rear, for mains, Yamaha NS-300 with 300C and for surrounds, NS-100 in rear, front effects handled by NS-90. For DVD duties, Yamaha DVD-S540 and for SACD Yamaha DVD-S2300 Mk-I. Also have Yamaha EG-550 equalizer and Yamaha KS-952 deck.

Hmmmm. It seems you only have ears for Yamaha. Again, I am a Yamaha fan. But, they are far from the benchmark of audio.

 

[Yamahaluver]

Yamaha NS-1000M, NS-1000x, Yamaha MX-1000 and MX-1 power amp, Yamaha CDX-1050 CDP, Accuphase DP70V CDP, Canton Ergo 120 speakers, Technics SL-1200 Mk-II TT. For HT, Yamaha Z9 with three Yamaha subs, two YST SW800 and one YST SW320 in rear, for mains, Yamaha NS-300 with 300C and for surrounds, NS-100 in rear, front effects handled by NS-90. For DVD duties, Yamaha DVD-S540 and for SACD Yamaha DVD-S2300 Mk-I. Also have Yamaha EG-550 equalizer and Yamaha KS-952 deck.

Hmmmm. It seems you only have ears for Yamaha. Again, I am a Yamaha fan. But, they are far from the benchmark of audio.

I have had many other equipment, I started this Hi-Fi trip at 13, I am 41 now, half of what I have earned so far has gone into this hobby, I have learnt a lot, have no regrets, settled on Yamaha after experiencing many other makes. As being benchmark of audio, Yamaha makes musical instruments since the last 100 years and have made items that are still revered in the vintage circles, just type NS-1000 in google and you will see my point, suggest you do some more reading, again benchmark perceptions will differ from person to person but then a company like Yamaha is in an unique position as they make the instruments and the electronics for those instruments. Sure there are other companies making quality products, but none and not one can be considered absolute benchmark.

Btw, somehow you conveniently missed out the Accuphase DP70V, the Canton Ergo 120 speakers and the Technics turntable, is that your way of being selectively blind as well

 

[zumbo]

I have had many other equipment, I started this Hi-Fi trip at 13, I am 41 now, half of what I have earned so far has gone into this hobby, I have learnt a lot, have no regrets, settled on Yamaha after experiencing many other makes. As being benchmark of audio, Yamaha makes musical instruments since the last 100 years and have made items that are still revered in the vintage circles, just type NS-1000 in google and you will see my point, suggest you do some more reading, again benchmark perceptions will differ from person to person but then a company like Yamaha is in an unique position as they make the instruments and the electronics for those instruments. Sure there are other companies making quality products, but none and not one can be considered absolute benchmark.

Btw, somehow you conveniently missed out the Accuphase DP70V, the Canton Ergo 120 speakers and the Technics turntable, is that your way of being selectively blind as well

Well, I began around the same age with used gear. I am 35, and believe Yamaha to be one of the best companies out there. I have a Yamaha receiver, cd player, and DVD-A player. As far as receivers and players go, they are my favorite. But, when you get into seperates, they are not in the game. I didn't ask them to give it up, so I can't help that.

I am also a musician. I have been a drummer since the age of 10. I am quiet aware of Yamaha's place in the musical instrument industry. All of the brass in my junior high, and high school bands, was Yamaha. The percussion in my junior high band was Yamaha, while the high school band used Ludwig.

I have also owned several Yamaha motorcycles. I know the company well.

As far as your sig, it took a little work to place every Yamaha product in bold. I did see the other brands, but there is a bias.

My thing about Yamaha electronic products is performance for the $, and reliability. I just don't consider them to be the top of the food chain in a market they don't even compete in. (seperates)

 

[Yamahaluver]

The got out of seperates but now they are back with the YPC-1 and MX-D1 cost around $4500 and are in the top of the chain, so is their new Soavo speakers, problem is most of their seperates are sold in Japan, they usually stay away from US markets due to severe bias and misconceptions. I have no bias, just a lot of Yamaha equipment

 

[zumbo]

The got out of seperates but now they are back with the YPC-1 and MX-D1 cost around $4500 and are in the top of the chain, so is their new Soavo speakers, problem is most of their seperates are sold in Japan, they usually stay away from US markets due to severe bias and misconceptions. I have no bias, just a lot of Yamaha equipment

No bias against Yamaha here. If they offered the products here, you better believe they would be on my list. Actually, I am bias toward Yamaha. I am certain you are aware of that.

BTW, I am not a Yamaha motorcycle fan. Honda and Kawasaki do it for me.

Also, not a Yamaha drum fan. DW and Tama for me.

 

[Yamahaluver]

I love Yamaha chassis, learnt riding on RD350B, my all time favorite, at 17 I had the Lawson edition FZ750, moved up to FZR-1000 and finally turned turncoat and settled for Honda RC-45 which I own currently.

 

[zumbo]

Started on a '78 Honda XR75 (new) (sold)
'85 Yamaha YZ 80 (new) (sold)
'82 Kawasaki KX 125 (used) (stolen)
'83 Kawasaki KX 125 (used) (sold to the person I think stole the other one)
'85 Honda XR 250 (used) (sold)
'96 Honda Magna 750 (new) (trade-in on below)
'99 Kawasaki ZRX 1100 (new) (own)
'01 Honda CR 250 (new) (own) (Favorite)
'02 Kawasaki Prairie 300 (used) (trade-in on below)
'03 Kawasaki Prairie 650 (new) (sold)
'03 Honda VTX 1800 Retro (new) (own)

 

[highfihoney]

The got out of seperates but now they are back with the YPC-1 and MX-D1 cost around $4500 and are in the top of the chain, so is their new Soavo speakers, problem is most of their seperates are sold in Japan, they usually stay away from US markets due to severe bias and misconceptions. I have no bias, just a lot of Yamaha equipment

Yup that sucks too,lots of good seperates are sold only overseas,bum's me out when i see what the japanese buyers get to pick from compared to our choices in the usa,denon is good for that too,they sell some kick butt gear in japan.

 

[Yamahaluver]

Well, their NS-1000 speakers sold in huge quantities, also their M and MX amps as well, even the V-FET B-1 and B2 sold good in the 70s, if Yamaha USA can be pressurised, maybe they will reconsider and bring us the goodies again, I had to travel to Japan to get the NS-1000M which I recentely added to supplement my NS-1000x, only Japan has them in well maintained shape, in US, you have to be extremely lucky to find them scratchless but then one has to pay heavy price for them.

Zumbo, thats a good list of bikes you went through, I see you settled for the cruiser, the VT-1800 is one mean beast through, have you checked out the Yamaha V-Max?

 

[zumbo]

Zumbo, thats a good list of bikes you went through, I see you settled for the cruiser, the VT-1800 is one mean beast through, have you checked out the Yamaha V-Max?

I have a couple of friends with them. That bike is concidered a standard motorcycle, or naked class. I prefer the ZRX in this class. That is what I have, along with the VTX, and CR.

Here is a link to the bike. I have the exact exhaust, along with K&N's, Dynojet stage 3 kit, and ZX11 cams.
http://www.muzzys.com/141104-99/141104-99M_full.html

 

[Yamahaluver]

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This is what I have, same color, my last bike purchase, most powerful engine ever to be put on a 750 but horrible chassis, front end is a joke, my older steel chassis FZ750 handled way better, since I took it out of US, it was legal for me to put HRC kit for road use and therefore the engine develops close to 150bhp. Useless here in India, just take it out to shut up youngsters here when they start showing off their 100cc 4 stroke mopeds

 

[zumbo]

That will smoke my ZRX. My bike was 96HP stock. Several dollars later it's 130HP. Not only is your bike 20 more HP, it's much lighter. Cool ride.

 

[Yamahaluver]

Don't be surprised if your ZRX blows me off in the corners, I could never get the handle of Honda's chassis design, maybe because I learnt on Yamaha and always preferred their balance, the R-1 my friend has here outhandles me almost everywhere except straights where surprisingly this 750cc bike catches up and manages to pull ahead of a latest 1000cc bike.

 

[zumbo]

Don't be surprised if your ZRX blows me off in the corners, I could never get the handle of Honda's chassis design, maybe because I learnt on Yamaha and always preferred their balance, the R-1 my friend has here outhandles me almost everywhere except straights where surprisingly this 750cc bike catches up and manages to pull ahead of a latest 1000cc bike.

The ZRX is a joke in the corners. Most people send the forks to Race Tech to solve the problem. I have put too much money in the motor, and can't get a fraction of it back. It has been for sale for three years. Yes, I said, three years. Everyone wants to give me KBB value. Not gonna happen. Only have 10k miles on the bike, not to mention the money in the engine.

I can run with the 1000's from about '98 back, but most can take me. When I ride it, I am with about four friends on the same bike, two on a v-max, a couple on the old LTD 1000's, and my best friend on a Ninja9. He is the fastest. His 9 is a European model. Wicked fast. I take second. A distant second.