American audio industry may suffer a blow..

Forsooth

Forsooth

Audioholic
Now that is fake news. The most fake news comes out of a orange faced blowhard.
You are right though he does take decisive action on just what golf course to play at today.
Remember this bit of fake news from orange faced blowhard. I'll be too busy to golf. Another like maga goobers bought.
Have a great game, snowflake. That reminds me...a lot of golf pros are friends with President Trump, like Greg Norman, and, oh yeah, Tiger Woods. I bet you would like him, too, if you could just overcome your snowflakeriness. MAGA!! :)
 
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Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
Have a great game, snowflake. That reminds me...a lot of golf pros are friends with President Trump, like Greg Norman, and, oh yeah, Tiger Woods. I bet you would like him, too, if you could just overcome your snowflakeriness. MAGA!! :)
Well I used to be as dumb as him. I used to think tariffs would solve all our problems. When I was young and dumb I used to think this very same way. I grew up and realized it wouldn't. Trump unfortunately hasn't. I used to hate Walmart because of the low wages and Chinese crap but again I grew up. I'm not in my 20s anymore. We are intertwined with the world. It's not going back. There aren't going to be plants on every corner so highschool grads can have a good life and pension. Believe me that would be nice but it's not how the world works. It's not going back to that. The engineering is done here but unfortunately the manufacturering isn't.
Also don't think I'm coming from a high and mighty place. I drive trucks for a living, large trucks. I bounced around all day in trucks and go home tired at the end of the day. I work for a living. But my eyes are wide open. I know how the world works.

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everettT

everettT

Audioholic Spartan
New GPS system to allow flights over the poles.. Take that flat boys.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Flat Earth, now that is some crazy $hit. But, but,but how come when a ship goes out to sea your don't see the curve of the Earth. Man people are dumb right. I've been on many cruises and have never reached the end of the flat Earth.

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The curve is easily visible from land, as long as the angle is wide and especially if some kind of straight line can be used for reference.
 
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Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
The curve is easily visible from land, as long as the angle is wide and especially if some kind of straight line can be used for reference.
It would have to be some conspiracy for the Earth to actually be flat. And for what gain I don't understand. The moon is round, the sun is round but somehow Earth is flat. Makes plenty of sense.

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Forsooth

Forsooth

Audioholic
...We are intertwined with the world. It's not going back. There aren't going to be plants on every corner so highschool grads can have a good life and pension. Believe me that would be nice but it's not how the world works. It's not going back to that. The engineering is done here but unfortunately the manufacturering isn't.
Exactly!!! You've described globalism to a T! America hollowed out, no borders, free expression quashed, etc. It is worldview vs. worldview. Either we have an America, or we don't. If the former, then we must re-establish our manufacturing base and take control of our borders. If the latter, then none of this matters.

America can achieve whatever it wants. We went from having a lackluster, sleeping military in 1941 to a dominant war machine in just a few years. Be if we don't want it, if we sleepwalk into globalism, then, yeah, it doesn't matter where your shirt was made, or who made it under whatever conditions.
 
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Drunkpenguin

Audioholic Chief
I work with a flat earther. Not trying to make a point here, but he did vote for Trump as well. I've been to the top of pikes peak in colorado. The curvature of the earth is extremely obvious at 14k feet. Also, for anyone with a sports car, I highly recommend that drive! I will never have a better driving experience than that one!

And to the comment about how well we are dealing with huricane florence, tell that to the citizens of puerto rico and see how they feel about it.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Well I used to be as dumb as him. I used to think tariffs would solve all our problems. When I was young and dumb I used to think this very same way. I grew up and realized it wouldn't. Trump unfortunately hasn't. I used to hate Walmart because of the low wages and Chinese crap but again I grew up. I'm not in my 20s anymore. We are intertwined with the world. It's not going back. There aren't going to be plants on every corner so highschool grads can have a good life and pension. Believe me that would be nice but it's not how the world works. It's not going back to that. The engineering is done here but unfortunately the manufacturering isn't.
Also don't think I'm coming from a high and mighty place. I drive trucks for a living, large trucks. I bounced around all day in trucks and go home tired at the end of the day. I work for a living. But my eyes are wide open. I know how the world works.

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Tarrifs are used to level the field and when goods are shipped from one country to another at prices so low the sellers/manufacturers in the receiving country can't compete, something need to be done if the receiving nations' economy is expected to work or, at least, not suffer from the effects of dumping. When a country like China doesn't care if they cause enormous amounts of pollution, their cost will be lower, so they can gain because the pollution supposedly doesn't affect other countries, even if it actually does end up reaching other shores.

There are, however, other countries that manufacture high quality goods and manufacturing by Asian countries has changed locations in the past- TVs used to come mainly from Japan if they weren't made in the US and when they were killing US-based manufacturers, the US implemented tariffs on Japanese TVs, so Lucky Goldstar (Goldstar, they became LG) bought Zenith and a foreign-based manufacturer made their TVs in the US, so any tariffs on their goods became moot. Sony built plants in Mexico, so they weren't affected by the tariffs, either. This was in the '70s, when people understood that products flooding the US market was a bad thing but with all of the "It's a World market, so importing is a good thing because it helps people in impoverished nations have a living wage and we should pay them the same as US workers" crap. Our government is supposed to care more about OUR country than the rest. Why is this so hard to understand?

Someone in many poor nations could live like a king for the rest of their life on the average annual wage in the US.

I'm not saying we should tax the crap out of the rest of the World, but anyone who looks into how other country's tariffs are set, they would see that the US has generally been very lenient.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
It would have to be some conspiracy for the Earth to actually be flat. And for what gain I don't understand. The moon is round, the sun is round but somehow Earth is flat. Makes plenty of sense.

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The Moon and Sun are merely props and are flat discs, so it naturally follows that Earth is flat, too.

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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
LOL love that term snowflake tossed around by flaky too-white people. Love that the people now complaining about the manufacturing overseas they exported in the first place. Talk about snowflakes
 
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Drunkpenguin

Audioholic Chief
The moon is a leftover prop from Stanley Kubricks 2001.
 
Forsooth

Forsooth

Audioholic
...And to the comment about how well we are dealing with huricane florence, tell that to the citizens of puerto rico and see how they feel about it.
We all know what happened there, but, you know,...narrative. So I'll just leave this right here, snowflake:

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Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
Exactly!!! You've described globalism to a T! America hollowed out, no borders, free expression quashed, etc. It is worldview vs. worldview. Either we have an America, or we don't. If the former, then we must re-establish our manufacturing base and take control of our borders. If the latter, then none of this matters.

America can achieve whatever it wants. We went from having a lackluster, sleeping military in 1941 to a dominant war machine in just a few years. Be if we don't want it, if we sleepwalk into globalism, then, yeah, it doesn't matter where your shirt was made, or who made it under whatever conditions.
Manufacturering isn't coming back. Try all you want, it's not. Americans like cheap stuff, we all like cheap stuff. My speakers, amp and receiver a were made overseas. Designed here except probably Denon. I'm not sure where Denon is engineered.
America is not hallowed out. Where do you guys get this stuff from. We are hallowed out to the tune of almost 20 trillion in GDP. God I'm glad I don't one in the heads of people who believe this stuff. Good God where did it come from because we don't build a speaker or TV here? I'll say it again, almost 20 trillion GDP. Not hallowed out. Changed to a engineering, services economy from Manufacturering. Again I'm glad I don't live in the dark place who guys do. Sounds so bleak.

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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
We all know what happened there, but, you know,...narrative. So I'll just leave this right here, snowflake:

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Well, there was no real problem in Puerto Rico according to the orange one, just a need for paper towels. Critical supplies actually got to the inaccessible island? Amazing.
 
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Drunkpenguin

Audioholic Chief
Its a world economy now. America can join or get left behind I suppose. Places like China, Mexico, and India have access to very cheap labor so they are going to be hard to compete against unless we all decide to take major pay cuts.

If only we could find a large group of people willing to migrate to the united states and work for cheap to help us out. Oh well.
 
Forsooth

Forsooth

Audioholic
Manufacturering isn't coming back. Try all you want, it's not. Americans like cheap stuff, we all like cheap stuff. My speakers, amp and receiver a were made overseas. Designed here except probably Denon. I'm not sure where Denon is engineered.
America is not hallowed out. Where do you guys get this stuff from. We are hallowed out to the tune of almost 20 trillion in GDP. God I'm glad I don't one in the heads of people who believe this stuff. Good God where did it come from because we don't build a speaker or TV here? I'll say it again, almost 20 trillion GDP. Not hallowed out. Changed to a engineering, services economy from Manufacturering. Again I'm glad I don't live in the dark place who guys do. Sounds so bleak.
Drive your truck, snowflake. Be careful out there!:)
 
Forsooth

Forsooth

Audioholic
Its a world economy now. America can join or get left behind I suppose. Places like China, Mexico, and India have access to very cheap labor so they are going to be hard to compete against unless we all decide to take major pay cuts.

If only we could find a large group of people willing to migrate to the united states and work for cheap to help us out. Oh well.
I hear ya, buddy. Have a great day!:)
 
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Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
Tarrifs are used to level the field and when goods are shipped from one country to another at prices so low the sellers/manufacturers in the receiving country can't compete, something need to be done if the receiving nations' economy is expected to work or, at least, not suffer from the effects of dumping. When a country like China doesn't care if they cause enormous amounts of pollution, their cost will be lower, so they can gain because the pollution supposedly doesn't affect other countries, even if it actually does end up reaching other shores.

There are, however, other countries that manufacture high quality goods and manufacturing by Asian countries has changed locations in the past- TVs used to come mainly from Japan if they weren't made in the US and when they were killing US-based manufacturers, the US implemented tariffs on Japanese TVs, so Lucky Goldstar (Goldstar, they became LG) bought Zenith and a foreign-based manufacturer made their TVs in the US, so any tariffs on their goods became moot. Sony built plants in Mexico, so they weren't affected by the tariffs, either. This was in the '70s, when people understood that products flooding the US market was a bad thing but with all of the "It's a World market, so importing is a good thing because it helps people in impoverished nations have a living wage and we should pay them the same as US workers" crap. Our government is supposed to care more about OUR country than the rest. Why is this so hard to understand?

Someone in many poor nations could live like a king for the rest of their life on the average annual wage in the US.

I'm not saying we should tax the crap out of the rest of the World, but anyone who looks into how other country's tariffs are set, they would see that the US has generally been very lenient.
Missing a huge point. They can raise tariffs and nothing gets accomplished. TV Manufacturering isn't coming back to the US sorry. Just trade wars come out of this with no way to tell what damage will be done.
I used to think this very way but it's not reality. It's just not. Tariffs solve nothing. Oh and don't pretend we don't protect and subsidize industries. Tobbaco comdes to mind. I think 350% tariff because that is a sacred cow. We subsidize farmers for certain crops. Don't pretend we are the victim on every front. It's just sad.

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Drunkpenguin

Audioholic Chief
I drive trucks for a living, large trucks.
My dad drove truck his entire life. It's back breaking work but theres a lot of money to be made in it. He was teamster and retired with more income than he had working. I heard a quote one time from a truck driver that said "If you bought it, it came in on a truck". You guys are keeping this country moving.
 
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Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
The Moon and Sun are merely props and are flat discs, so it naturally follows that Earth is flat, too.

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You convinced me, nothing is real. Yeah!!!

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