About to pull the trigger on Aperion

William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
We all have different opinions on that. I stated why I am glad to have mine. Sometimes I just prefer the smoothness of 2.0 rather than 2.1, but that's me.
I'm gonna agree, and I'm glad I have towers too. IME, bookshelf speakers can sound great overall but the extra drivers and many times larger drivers in towers will make them more sensitive and deliver a more dynamic lifelike experience especially when you start cranking the volume knob. I say go with towers.


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j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I would not call that room extreme, I'd call it large for sure. Basements work against you because it is insulated with earth, so bass gets absorbed and the are is large. So one PB-1000 will definitely not be enough. VTF-2 or PB-2000 minimum for that space, and more would be preferred.

Again, towers are less necessary but can be welcome for music use. I'd recommend something dual woofer like the Ascend CMT-340SE which has output to handle a larger space. For me, a music only system, I'd use towers. For a dual purpose or mostly movie system on a budget, I'd opt for bookshelf speakers and put the funds toward a better sub.
 
rojo

rojo

Audioholic Samurai
Can you help me understand why it's of the "extreme" category? It seems to me it will be a fairly typical open basement room design with a nice TV viewing area. Granted it's not a full on dedicated theater, but that's not what I intended. do I want the best I can get out of it... well yes. Over all a descent set of towers or bookshelf speakers, that I can adjust for optimal view/listening, should be able to get some pretty stellar sound??? right?
For mains, center, and surrounds, a speaker's output capability is more affected by the distance between speaker and seat. If you sit far away from your speakers and want reference-level output, your speakers better have either high sensitivity or good power handling with high wattage amplification. But if you're only a few feet from your speakers, even if you're in a huge room you can get excellent sound with low sensitivity speakers at low wattage. Most listening at normal conversational volume happens with less than a watt of power, in fact.

But for subs on the other hand, linear distance is less of a consideration than the volume of contiguous space in which the sub lives. Your theater's being open to the rest of the floor means the rest of the floor must be considered when determining what sort of output you need from your sub. Your theater space is about 2,000 cubic feet. Just eyeballing your floor plan, it appears that the total combined space exceeds 6,000 cubic feet. Rooms 5,000 feet or more fall in the Extreme category according to AH's bassaholic scale.

See, have you ever noticed that bass is typically stronger in pickup trucks than in cars? And compact cars typically do more with a smaller subwoofer than SUVs? That effect is cabin gain. The smaller the area to be pressurized, the more profound the gain.

Extend that idea into a room in your home. Even the smallest bedroom in your house is several orders larger than the space inside a vehicle. As an aside, that's a big reason why great subwoofers for a car are often horribly suited for use in a home system. In any case, it takes a lot of effort for a speaker to produce sub bass. Within a smaller room you can often get satisfactory output from a weaker subwoofer (within reason) because room gain will provide a boost to the lowest frequencies. For a cavernous room such as your basement, you don't get the benefit of room gain. Therefore, your sub(s) need greater native output.

I feel like I'm not be explaining this very well, and I apologize. I hope someone a bit more articulate might jump in and explain it better.
 
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herbu

Audioholic Samurai
I'm leaning towards the Aperion because of the 60day trial/10yr warranty/free shipping both ways.
dgilling,
I have 4x Aperion Verus Grand towers. I was very happy with them... right up to the day I replaced them with Philharmonic 3s. Now the Aperions do surround duty. The Verus series is higher than your budget, but my point is that you can likely buy speakers based on reviews and recommendations and be happy with them... until you hear something you like better.

1. I was happy w/ Aperion, and their reviews/ratings in Audioholics did not disappoint.

2. Decide how much effort you're willing to put into the search. Actually listening to various speakers is imminently helpful. Just be sure you understand all the variables that come into play w/ multiple listening sessions.

3. Look here: http://philharmonicaudio.com/
This guy, Dennis Murphy, is well known, respected and trusted. I'd guess 99/100 people would say his speaker beats any other speaker at the same price, and many that cost quite a bit more.
 
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dgilling

Enthusiast
Glad to hear this about the subwoofer against the size of my room although it doesn't help the budget, I plan to do it as best I can so i'll likely spend some extra cash for a bigger and better sub. rojo, makes perfect sense to me. big..big room, base sound waves are lower frequency. I just didn't have the perspective of what a big room is.

this also makes me think that I'll enjoy towers better especially when listening to music.

I'm looking at the phil harmonicaudio site. all I see is one set of towers some bookshelves or some crazy cabinet speakers. does he have a budget line?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I'm looking at the phil harmonicaudio site. all I see is one set of towers some bookshelves or some crazy cabinet speakers. does he have a budget line?
The Affordable Accuracy monitor would be his budget offering, based on the Dayton BR-1 Kit....
 
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Ras777

Audioholic
For what its worth I have the Aperion Verus Grand Towers and Center. I also have the Verus Forte Satellites. The fit and finish are excellent and their Tech guys are knowledgeable and very helpful. After having these in my HT room for 60 days I knew they were not going back. For the money and the fact that you can send them back if you are not satisfied is something to consider. I know it's not the Intimus line but Aperion is a great company and you get to audition them in your room which matters the most.
 
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dgilling

Enthusiast
I think the Phil Harmonic's stuff will be out of my budget after I add in subs or I guess multiple subs to cover my room. I also still think that I want towers for 2ch music listening.

I'm leaning towards SVS Prime or Aperion Intimus still. I like the idea of Aperion cause they make inceiling speakers that I could use for my surrounds, but I feel like I would rather have the SVS products.

anyone have a good recommendation for an in-ceiling speaker that would go well with the SVS Prime towers/center? I've been looking at the Polk RC60i or the Infinity CS60R. the infinities are more affordable and on sale at crutchfield right now.
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
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dgilling

Enthusiast
Most of us, imo will say not to go in ceiling but if you must you must. If you're on the fence maybe the prime elevation speakers would work for you.
https://www.svsound.com/products/prime-elevation
IMO they're more suited for a work around to implement atmos but I think they'd still be far better than in ceiling. I might start at golden ear for in ceiling.
https://www.goldenear.com/products/invisa-series?gktab=2


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I've stared at my room for hours trying to figure out an attractive way that I could by-pass the in ceiling options. I could do some stuff with the columns and pillar that I have but the speakers wouldn't sit directly across from each other and the one on the wall would be in a weird spot. Mostly for looks, they're going in the ceiling and I've accepted that. my rear 7.1 surrounds will be on the wall.
 
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