mustang_steve said:
The other side of it is, how did these people, many of which were here on expired Visas, even get onto the planes? Last I checked, prior to 9/11...you needed to at least present photo ID to get your tickets, as a measure to prevent fraud....so unless they were accepting expired IDs (which they are not supposed to do, but I did successfully with an expired license in 2004) I don't see how this worked out.
My thing is how the heck did these people get onto the plane...not how the building went down.
And they weren't even on the flight manifests.
Look at the Flight 77 manifest -- they recovered and identified all of the bodies of the flight crew and passengers (even though the plane "disintegrated" into thin air). They also supposedly identified the bodies of the terrorists. But there are no M.E.-ern names on the manifest, and all of the other bodies were accounted for.
Note that the pilot of Flight 77 (like I mentioned in a previous post) was a former Navy pilot for nearly 30 years, and a year before 9/11 he was helping with the MASCAL simulation that simulated a 757 (just like Flight 77) ramming into the Pentagon.
Also note that the assumed terrorist pilot, who supposedly could barely fly a Cessna, flew for hundreds of miles, did an extremely tight 270-degree u-turn (that pro pilots have said would take extreme skill to pull off) in order to hit the nearly-empty side of the Pentagon.
mulester7,
I once thought that about the wall too (windows, etc.). There should be damage marks from the engines (which disappeared), but the Pentagon was very sturdy and the glass re-inforced. But still, if the plane disintegrated, why is there a hole on the inside of the 3rd ring?
Another oddity?
Marvin Bush, GW's brother, was at the top of a security company that did security for the WTC towers, Dulles, and United Airlines.
http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=411&name=Marvin-Bush
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm
I haven't read the last few pages of the thead, so I don't know if Van Romero has come up, but...
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup//experts
'ALBUQUERQUE JOURNAL' ~ "'EXPLOSIVES PLANTED IN TOWERS,' NEW MEXICO TECH EXPERT SAYS." By Olivier Uyttebrouck Journal Staff Writer
Televised images of the attacks on the World Trade Center suggest that explosives devices caused the collapse of both towers, a New Mexico Tech explosion expert said Tuesday.
The collapse of the buildings appears "too methodical" to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures, said Van Romero, vice president for research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology.
"My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse," Romero said.
Romero is a former director of the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center at Tech, which studies explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures.
Romero said he based his opinion on video aired on national television broadcasts.
Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures.
"It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that," Romero said in a phone interview from Washington, D.C.
Romero said he and another Tech administrator were on a Washington-area subway when an airplane struck the Pentagon.
Wait, there's more!
Guess where he was on 9/11!
He said he and Denny Peterson, vice president for administration and finance, were en route to an office building near the Pentagon to discuss defense-funded research programs at Tech.
Wait! But wouldn't it take a
huge amount of explosives to bring the towers down, thousands of pounds even?
If explosions did cause the towers to collapse, the detonations could have been caused by a small amount of explosive, he said.
"It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed in strategic points," Romero said. The explosives likely would have been put in more than two points in each of the towers, he said.
But he's not like an expert in the field or anything, is he? Wait, he is...
Here is his initial theory:
The detonation of bombs within the towers is consistent with a common terrorist strategy, Romero said.
"One of the things terrorist events are noted for is a diversionary attack and secondary device," Romero said.
Attackers detonate an initial, diversionary explosion that attracts emergency personnel to the scene, then detonate a second explosion, he said.
Romero said that if his scenario is correct, the diversionary attack would have been the collision of the planes into the towers.
And since he is such a huge expert, they must have asked him to help investigate the attacks and the collapses of the towers, right?
Tech President Dan Lopez said Tuesday that Tech had not been asked to take part in the investigation into the attacks. Tech often assists in forensic investigations into terrorist attacks, often by setting off similar explosions and studying the effects.
Guess not.
But wait, that was his opinion
only until the next day, when it
very un-mysteriously changed to this:
"Certainly the fire is what caused the building to fail. I'm not trying to say anything did or didn't happen."
And, just a few coincidences, but Van Romero and his university have been doing very well since then:
Appointed to big anti-terror consortium in Jan 2002:
http://infohost.nmt.edu/mainpage/news/2002/11jan05.html
Becomes "top lobbyist"
http://infohost.nmt.edu/mainpage/news/2003/18dec01.html
more funding:
http://infohost.nmt.edu/mainpage/news/2002/25sept03.html
From the same webpage as the Van Romero info, because of course no one heard bombs going off:
Interview with NBC reporter Pat Dawson on the day of 9/11, soon after the Towers' collapses, describing reports from the NYFD of secondary explosions and explosive devices in the Twin Towers.
Audio link
Partial Transcript of Interview
"Just moments ago I spoke to the Chief of Safety for the New York City Fire Department, who was obviously one of the first people here after the two planes were crashed into the side, we assume, of the World Trade Center towers, which used to be behind me over there. Chief Albert Terry told me that he was here just literally five or ten minutes after the events that took place this morning, that is the first crash.
He said that at one point he had roughly ten alarms, that would equate to roughly 200 to 225 New York City firefighters who were in the building, this was after the crash, trying to rescue civilians who were in there. Now earlier this morning on the Today Show we spoke to the director of the World Trade Center. He said at that hour of the morning you could have upwards of 10,000 people in each of those towers. That would be 20,000 people total in each tower (sic).
The Chief of Safety of the Fire Department of New York City told me that shortly after 9:00 he had roughly ten alarms, roughly 200 men, trying to effect rescues of some of those civilians who were in there, and that basically he received word of a secondary device, that is another bomb, going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said that there was another explosion which took place.
And then an hour after the first hit here, the first crash, that took place, he said there was another explosion that took place in one of the towers here. So obviously, according to his theory, he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building. One of the secondary devices, he thinks, that [detonated] after the initial impact he thinks may have been on the plane that crashed into one of the towers. The second device, he thinks, he speculates, was probably planted in the building.
So that’s what we have been told by Albert Terry, who is the Chief of Safety for the New York City Fire Department. He told me that just moments ago."
---- Pat Dawson
