A true challenge. Symphonic level sound in a horrrible room.

spacemanspliff

spacemanspliff

Audiophyte
The idea is to be able to accurately reproduce a symphony such as Beethoven's 9th cohesively. Pretty tough to do. His room SUCKS. Reflections out of the ying yang and his view is amazing but is also a solid wall of windows. Problem is that you can't put drapes over them. The view is spectacular. His budget is really $7-8K.

I see Parasound C2, Tact S2150, Lyngdorf DPA-1. All are a bit $$ really. If they REALLY do the job he might bite. Issue is that we are having a hard time actually hearing anything here in Roanoke, VA. Any good places to visit within 4 hrs?

He has two 300 watt Hafler monoblocks but that is the extent of his working audio equipment.

Looking hard at the AV123 LS6 speakers. Willing to listen to other suggestions. Especially if they can be had used.

Suggestions and experience with this issue are greatly appreciated.
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Perhaps save the money. Sorry, but being honest, if you are truly right about having a horrible room and a solid wall of windows that cannot be treated. Well...

I guess I would give it a shot, as long as you had the ability to return items.

I was really excited when I gave my stereo their own room very recently, but the room is problematic. I have a ton of treatments arriving in a couple of weeks, and will experiment from there. If the improvements are not as good as I hope them to be, I am most likely going to sell my speakers. Perhaps I'll try another decent, but much less expensive pair, then again if the room is incurable then it's nearly pointless anyhow...

Ive read at this forum that Def Techs are meant to be used without treatments... (which is surprising... and I might take that with some salt for sure) but if it is true, maybe that line is worth looking into...
 
spacemanspliff

spacemanspliff

Audiophyte
cool. i did not know that you could link the words like that. ty

edit:

audiotronics? lol not likely!

I will search around some more.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
A really hate to suggest it, but for this unique situation, I see the best solution as using a high-end, full size horn speaker system.

The best measuring, and often best reviewed units in the classification will be from Avante Garde.

http://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/

Using this style of full size horn speaker, very little acoustical energy will be radiated behind the speakers or directly to the sides. This makes them optimal to place along with the glass windows. He should use acoustical treatments in the back of the room, to the greatest extent possible.

This might exceed the stated budget. But I don't see an alternative that will work as well in these horrible circumstances.

-Chris
 
spacemanspliff

spacemanspliff

Audiophyte
interesting. we had looked at Klipsch vintage series. hmmm those would not do though. too bright.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
interesting. we had looked at Klipsch vintage series. hmmm those would not do though. too bright.
It is hardly fair to compare the ancient/primitive Klipsche units to modern Avante Garde designs. However, in any case, I always recommend a high quality DSP processor to mange speakers and apply subtle tonal bias shifts if required.

-Chris
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
The idea is to be able to accurately reproduce a symphony such as Beethoven's 9th cohesively. Pretty tough to do. His room SUCKS. Reflections out of the ying yang and his view is amazing but is also a solid wall of windows. Problem is that you can't put drapes over them. The view is spectacular. His budget is really $7-8K.

I see Parasound C2, Tact S2150, Lyngdorf DPA-1. All are a bit $$ really. If they REALLY do the job he might bite. Issue is that we are having a hard time actually hearing anything here in Roanoke, VA. Any good places to visit within 4 hrs?

He has two 300 watt Hafler monoblocks but that is the extent of his working audio equipment.

Looking hard at the AV123 LS6 speakers. Willing to listen to other suggestions. Especially if they can be had used.

Suggestions and experience with this issue are greatly appreciated.
Can we have a picture. I would not regard the room as hopeless for classical reproduction. Rooms that are very live can actually sound very good.

When I did my main studio, one of the reasons I enlarged the windows was to increase reflections. The room is still a little on the dead side for my taste, but pretty good. My lower level room is a large space, with a wall of windows facing the speakers. The room has an echo, outside the Haas fusion zone. Actually the room sounds very good. I have noted this about live rooms previously. What I have noted is that if the speakers do not have a really smooth midband, your are in for trouble. I slightly rolled off top end does not help under those circumstances either.

Do not assume that room will be a dog. It may well sound excellent for classical music. Pop music is a completely different ball of wax under these circumstances.

Due to the way pop music is engineered, and given the the quite appalling vocal technique of the majority of pop artists, the circumstances for the optimal reproduction of that genre of music is totally different.

I was in the Twin Cities this week and heard the Choir of Kings College Chapel Cambridge under their long time conductor, Stephen Cleobury. Wonderful concert, and of course almost all of the sound reaching you is ambient as you would expect. With really good speakers playing back properly engineered and recorded classical music in an ambient space is not a disaster. Two channel will be fine, and you won't need Dolby prologic algorithms to get your ambiance back.

The only caveat is to make it a dead as you can behind the speakers, and try and direct the speakers at the wall of windows.
 
spacemanspliff

spacemanspliff

Audiophyte
It is hardly fair to compare the ancient/primitive Klipsche units to modern Avante Garde designs. However, in any case, I always recommend a high quality DSP processor to mange speakers and apply subtle tonal bias shifts if required.

-Chris
oh LOL no

I was saying that the Klipsch were too bright. Sorry. Never heard the Avante Garde.

I will get pics this week. Darn it. I brought my camera up last time I went up there too.

Again, ty for the suggestions. We are going to walk carefully into this room lol.
 

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