$6800 Speaker Cable...WTF????

[JesseP]

I dont have time to respond to all of the things you said right now but il at least thank you for a post with some interesting content that isnt just bashing.

 

[mtrycrafts]

.... Switching from 10 dollar cable to 2,000 dollar cable may only make some minor improvements, maybe even unnoticeable to the average listener. ....

Or, to any listener unless their biases are uncontrolled
In which case, one can imagine a lot about those $20 cables just as well.

 

[mtrycrafts]

... I guess I'm willing to entertain any theory except that one that says that cables can be worth $6800 without being made from gold bullion.

I wonder how long and what gauge you can get from 6.8 oz of that bullion

 

[TLS Guy]

I have audioquest cable laying around. Expensive cable is a pretty hot topic. Some people insist there is no difference between cheap cable and expensive cable while others say everything will color the sound of your system. To each his own since its pretty unlikely anyone is going to change anyones else's mind on the subject.

My view on the subject is that every link in your system is going to add somelaying around just from my dads old company and older systems in my house.

Not being able to look at a simple issue of wire and come to a sensible conclusion is a severe defect of education and reason.

This is a simple matter. Cables are easily tested, and there is no difference. Therefore those that say there is a difference have to come up with a plausible explanation that includes measurement. The laws governing transmission of electric current in wire have been known for a long time, and there is no complexity to this issue.

So if you maintain a difference in signal between zip cord and exotic wire of the same gauge you are deluded and that is the end of it.

 

[3db]

Its an easy thing to proove from a science point of view that there are no difference between ultar exoitics and lamp cord. There are two proviso with my first stattement. The conductor part o t ehe cable needs to be the same diameter and the conductor has to be clean...no corrosion.

Throw a digital pulse through both cables and check the frequency content with a spectrum analyzer. Also check the phase response too which should be identical jsu so you can take that arguement away from the audiophiles. If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then it must be a chicken

The more difficult thing to do is explain to the audiophiles that there is no diffrence even if you show them the pretty pictures. But you know teh expression.. "the mind is a terrible thing to waste"

 

[Halon451]

My view on the subject is that every link in your system is going to add some kind of color or flavor to the overall sound including the type of cable and the length.

Copper wire is copper wire is copper wire... Unless a company somehow has the magic ability to transform the elemental properties of this common conductor material there's absolutely no point in debating this topic. That's my official $0.02.

 

[jinjuku]

Those are cheap! Some are in the 5 digits, like $22k or more.
There was a DBT, kind of, at AVS with one of those expensive cables vs monster I think the owner is kind of rich, has a separate building, I think for his audio room with expensive gear in it, acoustically designed at least with what it looked like a pro design.

Oh, yes, the owner gave up as he didn't go anywhere with his guessing game.

Do you have a link?

 

[jinjuku]

It is you who been disrespectful to me and besides your sarcasm you seems to have nothing else to offer in this forum.

I didn't perceive that from JesseP in this thread. His posts have been respectful.

 

[jinjuku]

If you can get AQ, BJC, Signal, Kimber, MIT, Monster etc... at a bargain price then do it.

If you are expecting a cable to suddenly transform your audible experience well I say you should A/B it.

There is even a guy at the Polk Forums that insists that you could come over, switcharoo any of his equipment (cables, amps, pre-pro's, cd players) and he could follow the ball. I would love to take him up on it (I would personally sneak in some BJC cables).

My other problem: Don't call the MIT product a cable when it has a box containing a passive LCR network in the middle.

Why don't all of these cable companies offer a 30 day trial? (some do like Signal, BJC).

 

[Shock]

Switching from 10 dollar cable to 2,000 dollar cable may only make some minor improvements, maybe even unnoticeable to the average listener.

Unnoticed by ANY listener.....because they don't do anything. There have been many articles about the big cable scam. There is no refuting that the cables make no difference. How much do you think it cost AQ to produce that cable? There is no more than 20 dollars worth of material on that 8 foot cable. 34000% profit margin is why they make them. I mean it only takes one person to buy one and they still make massive profits. I will give AQ one thing, they do look pretty darn good.

However, like you said, nothing said here will likely change anyones mind.

 

[Shock]

All audio cables alter the signal that is passing through them because they act as inefficient low pass filters; that is to say they are inefficient at transporting power.

I love this quote from the MIT cable website.

 

[Ares]

$6800 is alot of cash until you take a look at AQ Everst cables which is really WTF.

http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2008/11/most-expensive-speaker-cable-world-audioquest-audiophile/

 

[randyb]

Do you have a link?

I think he is referring to Chris Wiggles test of Mike Lavigne's set-up. As I recall it was a couple years or so ago. You might PM Chris over at AVS or go to the Ultra High End Forum as most of the high end guys bolted from AVS. Mike posts over there now.

http://www.ultrahighendforum.com/

 

[mtrycrafts]

Do you have a link?

You had to make me look through my links who knows how I title them

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=941184

MikeL is the person with the expensive stuff He had his equipment page with pictures up at AA but haven found it lately. Maybe someplace still there.

 

[Seth=L]

I have audioquest cable laying around. Expensive cable is a pretty hot topic. Some people insist there is no difference between cheap cable and expensive cable while others say everything will color the sound of your system. To each his own since its pretty unlikely anyone is going to change anyones else's mind on the subject.

My view on the subject is that every link in your system is going to add some kind of color or flavor to the overall sound including the type of cable and the length. The question the audible difference worth the money? If your on a budget system where the speaker cable is more pricey then your amplifiers then id say yeah it would be silly to spend that much on cable but there are plenty of people in the world who wouldnt mind spending extra money on cable to "complete" there system.

My dad was a pro-audio salesman for many years. He has sold whole systems to people for $200,000+. This is the type of situation where someone would be interested in cabling like this. I have Audio Quest cable laying around just from my dads old company and older systems in my house.

Many minds have been changed, this site has grown based on that change. When nonsense is shoved down your throat for so long you eventually get wise to it.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Copper wire is copper wire is copper wire... Unless a company somehow has the magic ability to transform the elemental properties of this common conductor material there's absolutely no point in debating this topic. That's my official $0.02.

In reality, there is no point in debating audibility if one was silver and the other was copper

 

[mtrycrafts]

... When nonsense is shoved down your throat for so long you eventually get wise to it.

Or should. But, reality is different, too many that just never get wise in consumerland.

 

[mtrycrafts]

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However, like you said, nothing said here will likely change anyones mind.

Some minds. We know many have changed their minds to some extent, or a whole lot. Some just never will though.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I love this quote from the MIT cable website.

All audio cables alter the signal that is passing through them because they act as inefficient low pass filters; that is to say they are inefficient at transporting power.

I missed that in his post. My question is just how efficient does it really need to be? this too is testable One can buy a bigger amp for less than many/most of those expensive cables Kills two birds with one large amp

 

[Seth=L]

Or should. But, reality is different, too many that just never get wise in consumerland.

Any nonsense, this includes government nonsense as well.