5790 vs 2500

[diggerdave]

Is the yami 2500 worth $200 more than the 5790. if you think so. I'd be interested in knowing why...



thanks
dave

 

[goodman]

Before buying, I compared their specs on the Yamaha web site, and they are identical except for cosmetics. I then bought a 5790 as a best-man gift for my buddy. He is a Yamaha man and is very happy with it.

 

[diggerdave]

one difference between the two is that the 5790 has 27 surround programs to the 2500's 19. Is this just a fluff feature? I supsect it might be.

another difference is the 2500 has 3 component inputs to the 5790's 2. this is not fluff but never having had a HT setup I don't know how big a deal this is??? Is this where you plug in something like the Samsung SIR-T451 HDTV receiver for OTA HDTV?

 

[tallman45]

I thought the 5790 was a rebadged 1400. If it really is the $200 is well worth the upgrade expense to get to a 2500

 

[diggerdave]

hmm it could be. I thought the 5790 had no equiv in rx-v line. but maybe i have that backward and the 2500 has no equiv in the htr line...

thanks

 

[Nomo]

Dave,
The 5790 and 1400 are the same except for looks. The 1500 is a slightly improved version of the 1400. 2500 has no HTR twin.
Is the 2500 worth an extra $200? It wasn't to me. I don't use either of the 2 component connections on my 1500. The fact that the 2500 has 3 is probably the biggest difference. A lot a people here feel that it is a big advantage. My TV has plenty of inputs and I'm not really buying into the WAF of the simpler video switching.
The YPAO interface on the 2500 is different. I'm not sure if it is better but it is more visually appealing. Also I believe it has a backlit remote and 20db more power than the 1400/5690. 10db more than the 1500.
If these are important features to you another 200 bucks isn't that much.

 

[diggerdave]

that's kinda the way I see it too Nomo... one feature we haven't compared is the rs232 capabilities of these two machines and the gui(S). does the 5790 have either 232 or a gui? and if not just how "nice" is it to have either??

does having more power make any difference at listenable levels?? I do have a hearing loss (wear hearing aids though) and one of my reason of going HT is to be able to hear movie dialogue better. Although in this regard I think just about anything would beat the tv speakers I struggle with now.

thanks for all the comments...
dave

 

[Nomo]

http://www.yamaha.com/YECDealerMedia/AD_RX_recs.htm

Thought I'd throw this link up here. Not sure it's really topical or not but pictures can answer questions more quickly than my typing skills.

The 1400/5790 do not have RS232. 1500/2400/2500 do. I can't comment on how useful they really are at this point as I haven't used it.

All the discussed models have on screen GUI. The 2500's is prettier. onscreen GUI is invaluable given the complexities on the Yamaha menus. Especially the Parametric and Graphic equalizers. It is possible to navigate through the menus without it and I do occasionally but I would have been lost at first without being able to see the underlying logic on screen. IMO Onkyo does a better job making their recievers more user friendly.

I had, for less than a month, a 5760 before going with the 1500. I couldn't get it's volume past 0db and I can't get the 1500's past that point. Nor could I really hear an audible difference. I belive there is a 20db differce between the two. BTW the 5760 is the twin to the RXV650. I may not be ideally suited to answer the power question as my speakers are all 8 ohm and not terribly demanding. Some one with different speakers may tell you different.

 

[Leprkon]

It might be worth looking into picking up a RX-V2400 is you're wanting a little more power but at a reduced price. It's last year's model, so the prices should be better. You can see how it compares to the 2500 here:

http://www.audioholics.com/cedia/cedia2004/yamahaRX-V2500receiver.php

just an option.

 

[superman180]

Well I would like to add that the htr lines that I have looked at had plastic knobs and the RX-V line has aluminum. Obviously this falls under cosmetics but I felt it was a valid point. In my opinion I do not want my equipment to have plastic knob giving the receiver a cheap feel & appearance, it could also be more susceptible to damage or wearing out prematurely. This point may not be enough to pay the extra money but along with some of the other difference that have been made I felt it was the deciding factor so I went with the 2500.

 

[clt1bkc]

This unit comes with a remote. Even if your comment was true on the knobs wearing out - Don't most use a remote. I have the HTR 5790 and rarely use any of the knobs on the unit. Not for the reason you stated but mine came with a remote!

 

[superman180]

This unit comes with a remote. Even if your comment was true on the knobs wearing out - Don't most use a remote. I have the HTR 5790 and rarely use any of the knobs on the unit. Not for the reason you stated but mine came with a remote!

I was not trying to discredit units that have plastic knobs, I fully understand this is merely cosmetics and probably will work fine for years to come. I just felt for the money I was getting a few add bonuses with the RX-V2500 and doing away with the IMO cheap knobs. And you are right I primarily use the remote. I apologize if I offended you.

 

[Leprkon]

The 1400/5790 do not have RS232. 1500/2400/2500 do. I can't comment on how useful they really are at this point as I haven't used it.

Nomo has a valid point here. The RS232 port is only for upgrades, not for use as a general input, but it will let you keep up with the Dolbies and DTS's for the next couple of years without having to buy yet another receiver.

 

[diggerdave]

well I bit the bullet and after much agonizing I ordered the v2500 today from etronics.com

I finally decided I was close to having spent $200 in time trying to determine if it was indeed worth $200 more than the 5790. The last bit of agony however was over the MANUFACTURER's warranty, non-existent when purchased via the net. However I was told that etronics would warranty the unit themselves and the Philips warranty was also available so I purchased the 2yr (actually 1yr ext.) for $50 after talking to the folks at Philips and being assured that there would be no problems with the etronics warranty in leiu of a Yamaha warranty. If anything goes wrong I'm hoping it goes wrong in the second year as Philips warranty make use of "local" service centers and would probably mean no shipping required. we'll see. it should get here by the end of the week.

Next items up: cables, dvd player-recorder, hdtv tuner, lcd tv. any suggestions where to shop or forums to peruse (in addition to this great site) to educate myself would be most welcome.

thanks,
dave

 

[Leprkon]

wander down to the nearest Walmart and pick up this line of cables:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2625044&cat=163399&type=19&dept=3944&path=0:3944:3987:3964:163399

you can probably get it cheaper in person than online(I paid about $ 18 for the component set, and $ 12 for each of two sets of audio/composite video or, combined, about the price of a single video cable from the M-company). the cables are well constructed, extremely well shielded and look pretty darn cool for what you pay for them.

another source is www.impactacoustics.com who have three levels of interconnect cables you can buy depending on your budget. they also sell some really great speaker wires & cables at fantastic prices.

 

[RLA]

Hi
I can assure you that the 5790 and 1400 are very similar but do not share the exact same components inside Power Supply looks like the same as does the borad layout but a quick look inside and you can clearly see different filter capacitors for the 1400 and 5790 The PEQ and room EQ GUI and software is also different Both are very capable receivers in there perspective price points both sound identical and I can detect no audible difference between the two

 

[diggerdave]

Leprkon, thanks for the walmart tip for cables. I quickly checked out impact acoustics yesterday and their prices seemed a little high. I think I saw the same in-wall cable for quite a bit less on parts express but I'll have another look it may've been 12awg vs 14awg.

thanks again,
dave

 

[armaraas]

Another brand of cables that I like are Acoustic Research, best buy sells them instore, but I usually buy them off of ebay where you can get them for about half the price, usually $10 or less.

Here's a link if you want to see them: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=cat08053&type=category

 

[Leprkon]

Another brand of cables that I like are Acoustic Research, best buy sells them instore, but I usually buy them off of ebay where you can get them for about half the price, usually $10 or less.

WARNING: if you do buy Acoustic Research cables off E-Bay, don't get them from a company called moosedirect or mooseco unless you live in Illinois and can go pick up your cables with a shotgun in each hand. They are currently under investigation by the IFCC (case number I04111019359929) for taking people's money and never delivering the product.

 

[armaraas]

Thanks for the warning, I have never used them and hopefully will recognize the name if I do come across it. I usually make sure the bidder has at least a 98-99% satisfaction rating. I wonder if theirs was very high, otherwise I would think people would know enough to avoid them?