4 uls-15 mk2’s vs 4 pb-2000’s

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Reckel

Audioholic Chief
Thx for the replies guys. I agree it’s about want. The four vtf3s might be a bit big for the wife in the room, I disagree. May have to get four vtf2s instead, up in the air at the moment
 
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Reckel

Audioholic Chief
If the usage is mostly movies...even if it weren't I'd still go for the VTF series...The depth extension on the VTF is better and they are just as musical as the ULS series...they might be large, but they're much quicker and tighter than subs of old so imo unless it's a size issue or it's a 100% music system and you won't ever need the extra extension I'd always get a ported sub.

Midbase does favor the ULS series, but I typically like my mains floorstanders picking up mid bass.

I have just south of 2800 cu ft so a similar sized room also opening to other space. I have two VTF3 mk5 in my system and they barely break a sweat...due to localization issues I didn't stay with one sub on the front wall and one nearfield.

I do want a near field sub so I can see a day when I add a 3rd for that purpose (no need for a 4th the way the room is shaped).

You're well on your way to a killer system with four!
Yes mainly movies but I do listen to music while drinking at the bar down there
 
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Reckel

Audioholic Chief
I feel like if I get the vtf2s I’d regret it and then mentioning to the wife in a few years I’d like to upgrade she’d have my ass. But if I got the vtf3s now I’d be set for a long time
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
I feel like if I get the vtf2s I’d regret it and then mentioning to the wife in a few years I’d like to upgrade she’d have my ass. But if I got the vtf3s now I’d be set for a long time
Then you know what you have to do.

It's better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. ;)
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
Then you know what you have to do.

It's better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. ;)
Truer words were never spoken.


And besides, after awhile she’ll be used to them in the room and won’t even see them!
 
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Reckel

Audioholic Chief
Hopefully you guys are married and can understand otherwise you have no idea. I hate arguing n I argue plenty at work so when I get home that’s the last thing I wanna do. I just wanna few beers n to relax
 
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Reckel

Audioholic Chief
What really sucks is that after we got water in basement last year that part got fixed but then I repainted n fixed a bunch of stuff that wasn’t done right when we moved in, built a nice bar with kegerator n riser, added some columns in listening area so we could all sit n watch movies as a family. That was my goal to have our own little theater n with my sucky work schedule we barely get to enjoy a movie down there with all of us. I’m down there by myself quite a bit watching sports n drinking n when we have people over everyone is down there but dam. Sorry for the vent but I wanted the best that I could afford down there so we could all be together
 
CB22

CB22

Senior Audioholic
Hi guys. I’m new to the forum but I want to upgrade from my existing subs to either 4 uls-15 mk2’s or 4 pb-2000’s, appreciate any advice. I’m running 4 pl-200’s now and I know they’re budget subs but when I bought them 5yrs ago that’s what I could afford at the time after moving into a new house.
I vote uls-15 mk2’s
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I wanna sell my subs I have now but not really sure where to list them n idk if anyone would even buy them
Worst thing about selling subs is selling subs. If you're in a major metro area and people can pickup that's an advantage, packing (if you didn't keep the original materials) can be a pain and shipping can get expensive. Selling four at once you kind of need just the right guy looking at the same time. There's a classified section here in the forum plus usual culprits like craigslist, audiogon, usaudiomart, etc.
 
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Reckel

Audioholic Chief
Worst thing about selling subs is selling subs. If you're in a major metro area and people can pickup that's an advantage, packing (if you didn't keep the original materials) can be a pain and shipping can get expensive. Selling four at once you kind of need just the right guy looking at the same time. There's a classified section here in the forum plus usual culprits like craigslist, audiogon, usaudiomart, etc.
Thx man, I knew about Craigslist but not the others. I listed them in our local area where I’m at but haven’t heard anything yet. If by chance i have to get 4 of the vtf2s instead of the vtf3s, would I still be good?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Thx man, I knew about Craigslist but not the others. I listed them in our local area where I’m at but haven’t heard anything yet. If by chance i have to get 4 of the vtf2s instead of the vtf3s, would I still be good?
Yeah I think you'd be okay. Better with the VTF3s, but....
 
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snakeeyes

Audioholic Ninja
Thx man, I knew about Craigslist but not the others. I listed them in our local area where I’m at but haven’t heard anything yet. If by chance i have to get 4 of the vtf2s instead of the vtf3s, would I still be good?
How many cubic feet is the space? I’ve got two VTF2 in my living room which opens to the kitchen so at total of 4700 cu ft. WAF was a factor and so was budget. I’m pleased with what I got in there and she enjoys having good sound in the living room where there is more natural light and a wood stove for those chilly nights. It’s a 3.2 system and she isn’t interested in any further speakers in there but that’s cool. The old 55in plasma does great still.

I have a theater room and a bedroom system as well but those spaces are smaller. It’s funny because now she comes to the theater room and enjoys the big system a lot which has the 4K TV. She basically hated it before except for NHL Stanley cup and a few UHD movies. She even adjusted the display her way during NASCAR and I admit I like it her way. :). It’s good to drink beers in peace and not be at odds. :).

She doesn’t really understand the need for the bedroom 2.1 system but she is cool with it too :)
 
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Reckel

Audioholic Chief
How many cubic feet is the space? I’ve got two VTF2 in my living room which opens to the kitchen so at total of 4700 cu ft. WAF was a factor and so was budget. I’m pleased with what I got in there and she enjoys having good sound in the living room where there is more natural light and a wood stove for those chilly nights. It’s a 3.2 system and she isn’t interested in any further speakers in there but that’s cool. The old 55in plasma does great still.

I have a theater room and a bedroom system as well but those spaces are smaller. It’s funny because now she comes to the theater room and enjoys the big system a lot which has the 4K TV. She basically hated it before except for NHL Stanley cup and a few UHD movies. She even adjusted the display her way during NASCAR and I admit I like it her way. :). It’s good to drink beers in peace and not be at odds. :).

She doesn’t really understand the need for the bedroom 2.1 system but she is cool with it too :)
That’s cool she digs it. Idk if you saw my post earlier tonight but I may have to with the vtf2s instead of vtf3s cuz my wife thinks they’ll be to big but I disagree. I’ll have 4 of one or the other. My listening area is 2000cft but the entire left side opens up to the rest of the basement which is probably two more of my listening area, so 5-6000cft probably.
My wife does enjoy everything I did down there especially the bar but my work schedule sucks n with the kids all over the place it’s hard to get all of us down there which is why i did what I did down there. What subs you running in your home theater? The vtf2s sound good in your living room?
 
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snakeeyes

Audioholic Ninja
That’s cool she digs it. Idk if you saw my post earlier tonight but I may have to with the vtf2s instead of vtf3s cuz my wife thinks they’ll be to big but I disagree. I’ll have 4 of one or the other. My listening area is 2000cft but the entire left side opens up to the rest of the basement which is probably two more of my listening area, so 5-6000cft probably.
My wife does enjoy everything I did down there especially the bar but my work schedule sucks n with the kids all over the place it’s hard to get all of us down there which is why i did what I did down there. What subs you running in your home theater? The vtf2s sound good in your living room?
Ya go as big as you can without pissing off your wife. :)

The VTF2s sound great actually. I think these may be one of the best values at their price point if you buy at least 2 to get the discount.

My theater room is sealed and only 2600 cu ft and I just have one sub. Rythmik LVX12. This sub has life pretty easy as my main towers run full range. My plan is to add a 2nd one after I change to bookshelf speakers down the road. I do plan to trade back and forth and compare the 2 brands at some point. Just no time right now. Maybe next year.
 
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Reckel

Audioholic Chief
Ya go as big as you can without pissing off your wife. :)

The VTF2s sound great actually. I think these may be one of the best values at their price point if you buy at least 2 to get the discount.

My theater room is sealed and only 2600 cu ft and I just have one sub. Rythmik LVX12. This sub has life pretty easy as my main towers run full range. My plan is to add a 2nd one after I change to bookshelf speakers down the road. I do plan to trade back and forth and compare the 2 brands at some point. Just no time right now. Maybe next year.
Definitely don’t want her pissed but may have to take one for the team and get the vtf3s, just because I wouldn’t wanna have to upgrade in a few years because I wasn’t happy with the vtf2s
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Definitely don’t want her pissed but may have to take one for the team and get the vtf3s, just because I wouldn’t wanna have to upgrade in a few years because I wasn’t happy with the vtf2s
Here's my thought on this:
We are "audioholics", we're generally always going to encourage you to go for the best!
However, unless I'm misremembering, you said you were not a bass head, and 4 Hsu (or equal) ported 12" subs (or 4 sealed 15" subs, which is what I have) is a lot of low frequency energy to pump into any residential room. Of course, there is more/better to be had from a no-compromise perspective, but the question of "how much is enough" is one that ultimately only you can answer.
I can tell you that for me, four 15" sealed subs is more than I need! I never work them hard. I've forgotten how big a volume you are filling, but the immediate room my system is in is 4230 cu.ft.. If I add permanently open spaces to that area it gets just over 9000 cu.ft.
I do like the thrill of my subs causing a visceral sensation when a dinosaur stomps and my adrenaline kicks in, and 4 sealed 15" subs delivers that for me! I'm sure if I had 4 ported 15" VTF-3 to A-B compare, the VTF-3's would impress, but I do not feel deprived in the least with what I have (otherwise I would have changed it by now - no WAF concerns, but I do like my room more open, given the choice).
I have a Denon AVR which allows me to setup differently for different sources. So, I have my DVD input set to run the subs 4-5dB hot to get the "WHUMPF" I like.
I actually have my CD input set to -2dB! I think Audyssey did a good job of setting the level, but there are so many songs where the recording engineer recorded the bass hot (or maybe they did not use subs when mixing). For me, this totally destroys music (the attacks at higher frequencies seem to lose resolution - in other words it sounds sloppy instead of tight)! I am not one to adjust for every song that comes on, so I have found -2dB to be the best compromise of still having good bass on a well recorded songs, but not allowing the recordings of great music with heavy bass to totally suck!
(For my music system, I am looking at some options that have a subwoofer volume level on the remote for easy adjustments on the fly.)
OTOH, so much of this has to do with your room and how much room gain you get and how well Audyssey (assuming you are using it or another room correction feature) handles your specifics. Fortunately, the subs you have been considering all have good tuning options so hopefully you can get it good enough for Audyssey to be able to handle the rest (tune your subs as best you can before Audyssey).

VTF-2:
To bring this review to a close, anyone looking for a subwoofer in the $600 point ($539 + $60 shipping for continental US) would do very well to consider the Hsu VTF-2 mk5. Its overall performance and feature set is one of the best, if not the best, that can be had at this price. It achieves our Bassaholics “Large” room size recommendation in the ported modes (meaning it is suitable for rooms from 3,000^ft3 to 5,000^ft3),except the sealed mode, which nets the “Medium” room size recommendation (room sizes of 1,500^ft3 to 3,000^ft3). The VTF-2 mk5 is the least expensive sub to capture the “Large” room size recommendation, which is a nice new precedent for those looking for the most bang for their buck (more information can be learned about our Bassaholic Room Size Rating.) The VTF-2 mk5 also carries a feature set that is uncommonly good for subwoofers in this price range as well. Along with the hardware, the buyer also gets Hsu’s well-regarded customer service, a 2-year warranty on the amp (upgradable to a 5-year warranty for an additional fee),a 7-year warranty on the driver, swift shipping, good packing, and a subwoofer with manageable size and weight that isn’t an eyesore and doesn’t need a two-man team to move around. I have to give the Hsu VTF-2 mk5 a strong recommend for what it brings to the table for the cost, and if I were shopping for a subwoofer at its price point, it would very likely be my first choice.
https://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/hsu-vtf-2-mk5/conclusion

ULS-15:
Now let’s briefly go over some of the highlights of the ULS-15 mk2. Its sound quality is superb, and the high fidelity that was heard in the listening sessions were confirmed by the measurements. The ULS-15 mk2 is a very accurate subwoofer and demonstrated highly linear behavior across a slew of different measurements. The output is tremendous for a sealed subwoofer at this price point, and this sub qualifies for Audioholics’ Bassaholic ‘large’ room size rating (in other words it should be able to meet the target 115 dB peak in seating positions in a 3000 ft^3 to 5000 ft^3 room). The tremendous output can be gleaned from the burst tests and compression sweep measurements, but nothing is as convincing as sitting cross-legged on the floor with the ULS right behind you only a couple inches away, and then cranking a hard dubstep tune to reference level on the AVR. Do that and you will know what a punching bag feels like.
https://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/hsu-uls-15-mk2/conclusion.

Good luck with your decision! The good thing is I don't think any of the gear you are considering would disappoint!
 
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kini

Full Audioholic
Definitely don’t want her pissed but may have to take one for the team and get the vtf3s, just because I wouldn’t wanna have to upgrade in a few years because I wasn’t happy with the vtf2s
2 Rythmik FV18v2 subs are smaller than 4 VTF3s. Just throwing that out there. ;)
 

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