4 Head Unit Replacements on Bose System in Nissan Max!

Beegowl

Beegowl

Junior Audioholic
Man, I'm torqued. After about 15K miles I noticed that the left speaker bank in my Max was distorted and cutting off and on. Messed with it for another 10K miles (big mistake, take it in immediately) and finally took it in. My dealer, where I purchased the car new, replaced the head unit. 10K miles or so later, same thing. Replaced the head unit. Another problem. Replaced the head unit. Now, the auto is out of warranty, past 36K miles. But, the head unit was replaced again less than 8K miles and 4 months before. Next, the CD changer breaks. Now, it's hem and haw and delay and "well, we have to call Clarion." Clarion says that Nissan is the one who decides if it's under warranty, or not. Bose says that Clarion makes the head unit and so Clarion is responsible. Nissan says that Clarion won't replace it under warranty. Now Nissan Consumer Afffairs is deciding if my claim is valid. The facts are: The unit has never worked properly for more than 10K miles. It was a $1,000 option (because it was Bose) on the automobile. Bose says that it's not responsible for the head unit because they don't make it. Clarion says they make the head unit, but Nissan sets the terms of the warranty, even though a call to Clarion put me in touch with a rep who told me that the units were warranted for 12 months or 12K miles. The Clarion person who called me after I called Bose Consumer Affairs would not state the warranty period because he said the guidelines are set between Clarion and Nissan and Nissan would have to decide if they will replace the head unit under warranty.

Look, I don't know what it costs to manufacture a head unit CD changer for this automobile audio system. Because Nissan charges it as a $1,000 option, it probably costs Clarion $100 to manufacture the CD changer/head unit, I don't know. I've pursued my claim that they should replace the unit under warranty for a month, now. Six unplayable and irretrievable CDs remain in the broken changer. I've produced the documentation showing the miles each time the head unit was replaced. Nissan has this in their database. The automobile was a $30K plus sticker price vehicle. It takes the tech about 20 minutes to pull the head unit and replace it. It can't cost the manufacturer or Nissan over $150 to replace a defective part. I'm not trying to scam anyone, but I'm treated as though I've stolen something from them and now I'm trying to sell it back to them.

To Bose's credit: Their consumer affairs rep called me personally and said they would assist me, and offered to pay for half the repairs. To Clarion's credit: Their consumer affairs rep called me personally and said they are not responsible for the warranty on the head unit. To Nissan's credit: They have replaced the head unit 4 times when it broke before the car was past 36,000 miles. All I'm asking is that the unit be replaced as a defective unit because it has not operated as it should and I've used it less than a year and haven't driven the vehicle for more than 8,000 miles when the CD changer broke.
Am I steamed up unjustly?
 
Beegowl

Beegowl

Junior Audioholic
Okay, okay.

So, the local dealer calls me 3 minutes ago. "Nissan said it's a warranty replacement, they're not sure why so much hassle. We'll install it for you as soon as it comes in."

I appreciate it, but why did it take so much effort on my part? Oh, well.
 
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Red

Audioholic
Beegowl said:
I appreciate it, but why did it take so much effort on my part? Oh, well.
Probably because they know most people would not be as persistent, finally accept the story that it was no longer under warranty and eventually pay to have it fixed, thus, no cost out of Nissan's pocket - simple, but a sad commentary.
 
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sjdgpt

Senior Audioholic
And now you know why I think an extended warranty is critical on automobiles. The day before the extended warranty expires, I dump the car and get a new car.
 
Beegowl

Beegowl

Junior Audioholic
Agree

sjdgpt And now you know why I think an extended warranty is critical on automobiles.
Dig it. I purchased extended warranty and rolled it into financing. Covers everything EXCEPT electronics.
 
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sjdgpt

Senior Audioholic
Beegowl said:
Dig it. I purchased extended warranty and rolled it into financing. Covers everything EXCEPT electronics.
Darn. Mine EW covers OEM stereo equipment. Thank goodness. I am on my third unit (two replacements) with CD drive problems for my 4 yearold Pontiac.
 
zipper

zipper

Full Audioholic
I have a '95 Maxima with the same(?) setup, only a single cd player though. When you say "head unit" you talking about the individual amp for each speaker right?

I bought the car used & had to replace one of the rear amps after 2 months..............the dealership would have nothing to do with it other than charge me $220 to get & install a factory replacement. After searching around I was able to get one from a junkyard for $35 (with speaker) & replace it myself.

But to have all those problems in a new model.....................that really "Blows".
 
annunaki

annunaki

Moderator
$1,000 :eek: :eek:

Have you seen the speakers!!!

They look similar or are the same as the originals. All you got for a $1000 was a Bose nameplate, and a $3.00 DSP built into the headunit with a couple modes. I have seen the speakers from "Bose" systems in Cadillacs. When compared to speakers from base Chevrolet or othe GM brands there is virtually no difference. All they do is put a Bose name on the unit and speakers and use DSP and eq's to change the sound. I do installations at the shop I manage, I have seen it first hand.

Anyway, I feel for you. Go as high up the chain as necessary. it sounds to me like no one wants to take the blame. Make someone replace that radio.
 
Beegowl

Beegowl

Junior Audioholic
Zipper, the head unit is the main amplifier/radio/cd changer installed in the dash. The individual amps on the speakers are still working, although in my 94 Nissan 300ZX the amp went out on one of the speakers and I couldn't find replacements for less than $90. The amp was a small circuit board,
From Annunaki: Have you seen the speakers!!!
and the speakers were 4 inch paper cone speakers. I had the entire system replaced with an Alpine head unit and 4 small JBL speakers. Did it sound as good as the original? I have to say, no, (neither sounded great) but the original didn't sound as good as the Mopar/Infinity system, which wasn't a $1,000 option, in the Chrysler van that I also owned at the time. I don't want to disparage Bose without a lot more evidence, but in my limited experience with them, the automobile audio components have not shown acceptable durability.

Annunaki, I did go up the decision ladder to consumer affairs reps at Nissan, Bose, and Clarion and someone finally made the decision to honor the parts warranty on the Clarion head unit.
 
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zipper

zipper

Full Audioholic
I have actually had two of the amps go bad in the time I've owned the car. The 2nd time I tried to get it repaired by a buddy but he couldn't find the schematics anywhere(go figure). I considered trying to replace the speakers but found out that you can't replace part of the system, you must replace it all. The speakers are 1-ohm(not that I'd want to keep them) & if you try to piggy-back off the "head unit" ;) it produces a whining noise through the speakers, although there is some sort of adaptive harness you can buy for $180 to eliminate that problem.

I said screw it & found another replacement...............fortunately, it's been 4 years since my last problem with it.
 
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mustang_steve

Senior Audioholic
annunaki said:
$1,000 :eek: :eek:

Have you seen the speakers!!!

They look similar or are the same as the originals. All you got for a $1000 was a Bose nameplate, and a $3.00 DSP built into the headunit with a couple modes. I have seen the speakers from "Bose" systems in Cadillacs. When compared to speakers from base Chevrolet or othe GM brands there is virtually no difference. All they do is put a Bose name on the unit and speakers and use DSP and eq's to change the sound. I do installations at the shop I manage, I have seen it first hand.

Anyway, I feel for you. Go as high up the chain as necessary. it sounds to me like no one wants to take the blame. Make someone replace that radio.
The "JBL" systems in some cars are exactly the same.

The JBL system that were in two of my mustangs were like that...stock looking headunit, but with pre-outs instead of line outs, going to a DSP/amp under a seat, then going to six speakers. Really the system was utter crap.

FOr $450 I put in a blaupunkt miami headunit, front speakers were 6.5" C-V stealth separates (display model, running off the headunit's amp), sub was a 12" JBL GT (display model, woo $20), amp was a display modal 40x2 Fosgate RF series bridged. No rears....that system, while not the pinnacle of anything, was very nice sounding, and very reliable.

Key to affordable replacements is display models. Just ask for a demo to prove they work right, then go for it...those C-Vs were $55, the sub $20, the amp $140, and that was 1998 prices.....not bad at all.
 
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l12356

Audiophyte
Maxima Bose/Clarion ERR F3 code??!!??

I believe thats the code my 02 Maxima GLE Bose/Clarion system is giving me. Unit replaced 5 times under warranty with reburbished units (a new Maxima can actually come with a refurbished Bose/Clarion system, they are all reburbed sooner than later). Will not play or recieve headcleaner. Can I pull this POS from the dash and clean the lens manually or is it dead? Upgrade ideas? I thought the JBL Synthesis system in the new Toyota Avalon was cherry, please calibrate me on what an awesome car stereo system is composed of (I know what crap is).
 
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Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
l12356 said:
I believe thats the code my 02 Maxima GLE Bose/Clarion system is giving me. Unit replaced 5 times under warranty with reburbished units (a new Maxima can actually come with a refurbished Bose/Clarion system, they are all reburbed sooner than later). Will not play or recieve headcleaner. Can I pull this POS from the dash and clean the lens manually or is it dead? Upgrade ideas? I thought the JBL Synthesis system in the new Toyota Avalon was cherry, please calibrate me on what an awesome car stereo system is composed of (I know what crap is).
First, JBL synthesis is there Pro home audio stuff......:confused:

My brother just had a stereo put in his 88 Corolla SR5. It had no stock radio, so this was a must. Boston Acoustics in the front (4inch coaxials) and had holes cut out in the rear dash for 6.5inch Bostons. The sub is a sub-par kenwood, but it was cheap. He wants to upgrade it as its a tone generator.


My ideal car system would be Alpine headunit, Alpine speakers, and JL subwoofers and amps.

SheepStar
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
annunaki said:
Sheep, you are a copycat.;) :D

I perfer, Great minds think alike...;)


SheepStar
PS- I have always liked these brands.
 
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