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abjonesiii

Audioholic
so 3D was the big hooha at CES this year. To be totally honest I've never been that impressed with 3D, but I am interested to learn a little more and try it a few more times. I recently saw Avatar in 3D and while I remember seeing a few little snow flake things falling in obvious 3D I'm not sure that 3D greatly improved or made me feel more immersed in my theater experience. But like I said I am a wee bit interest so I did some google'n to try and find out just what it would take to produce 3D at home and came up empty handed. So let me throw this out to see if anyone knows:

What gear do you have to have to reproduce 3D at home? OK, obviously a new 3D ready display but what about the receiver and Blu-ray player? Will a blu-ray player even work? Will we all have to buy 3D-ray players? Anybody?
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
The new TV is a requirement.

Existing BD players are expected to be firmware upgradable to PARTIAL 3D capabilities, the PS3 is confirmed as being upgradable to this level. New BD players with 3D capabilities will come to market this year (most likely).

3D active shutter glasses will be required. XpanD is the major manufacturer of those glasses.

I wouldn't buy into 3D for the sake of 3D, but if you are upgrading your display, then spending a bit more for 3D capabilities may be worth it if the results are similar to Avatar.
 
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snmhanson

Junior Audioholic
I too am interested in 3D but not sure what to make of it. I am planning on buying a new projector and blue ray player in the near future but now am wonering if I should wait a while and jump on the 3D bandwagon - or at least see if there is a bandwagon to jump on. My biggest complaint about 3D, however, is the glasses. I just don't know if the inconvenience of wearing the glasses is worth the visual dynamics of 3D. I saw Avatar and it was ok in 3D but I think it would have been nearly as good in 2D. I am assuming that the at-home media will be the same as at the movies. In other words you will buy a 3D disc specifically (or download or whatever...) for the 3D version and then you have to wear the glasses or you will see a blurry picture. Or you get the non-3D version and you won't be able to see it in 3D. As far as broadcast/cable/satellite shows, I am assuming they would then have to have a 3D channel and a non-3D channel - just as most channels that are broadcast in high-def today also have a seperate non-high-def channel. In other words any media will be either 3D OR non-3D, not both.

I guess what I am getting at is it would be nice if you had your choice as to whether you want to wear the glasses when watching 3D media. For example, if my family of five is watching a movie my kids would probably want to wear the glasses and see it in 3D while my wife and myself might not want to wear the glasses and be happy with 2D. It would be nice if we could all get what we wanted, however, unless the at-home technology is different than in the theaters we will not have that choice. The only way I really see that happening is through a display where glasses are not necessary for 3D. Comments?

Matt
 
kelley_aj

kelley_aj

Enthusiast
I saw Avatar at the Imax and was completely blown away. That said, I can't see how a HT could even come close in comparison without lots of $$$
 
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snmhanson

Junior Audioholic
I saw Avatar at the Imax and was completely blown away. That said, I can't see how a HT could even come close in comparison without lots of $$$
I guess that bring up the other question. How long will it be before home 3D technology is affordable? Should I put off my new purchases in anticipation of affordable 3D or do we still have a few years?

Matt
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Not a few years - THIS year - it WILL be affordable.

The 72" Vizio LCD display (darn big!) will be $3500 and is 3D ready. I would expect the new Panasonic AE5000U projector (this fall, not sure I got the name right), will be 3D capable as well. Panasonic actually has a full suite of 3D stuff they have already announced including a BD player, glasses, and plasma display...

http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/10381/611637.html

In a few years it will be like buying a DVD player without HDMI... Tougher to find a DVD player without HDMI than it is to find one with HDMI, but they are out there.

3D will be a built in standard feature of TVs and BD players moving forward.

Most people don't get how the technology works, but you will be purchasing Blu-ray discs with 3D embedded in the normal video stream. If you have a 3D capable display & player, you can turn it on/off as you want. If you don't have a 3D player, it will still play the disc normally in 2D, if you don't want 3D, you don't have to turn on that capability.

Yes, if half the family wants to wear the glasses and see the film in 3D, then everyone has to or the image won't look right. On the other hand, if half the people want to watch upstairs and half want to watch downstairs, you have to pick a location to watch the movie as well. It'll be interesting to see how it unfolds.

I expect a complete 3D system to be available for well under $2,000, and a front projection 1080p 3D system with BD player and a couple of sets of glasses to be well under $3,000. Likely under $2,000.
 
htgeek

htgeek

Enthusiast
The way I see it is it's just another fad hollywood is trying to force down our throats to make more money. I live in 3D and I enjoy my movies in 2D. It takes away from the experience of what a movie should be, which to me should be emotional, a escape from the day to day drama of modern life. 3D is just a way for the film industry not to have to make a compelling movie anymore, they figure if we just make it a visual orgy they won't notice the movie itself was ok at best. I for one will not be jumping on that band waggon.
 
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mx4lifeis350

Enthusiast
i dont know... Avatar was pretty kick *** in 3D...
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
The way I see it is it's just another fad hollywood is trying to force down our throats to make more money. I live in 3D and I enjoy my movies in 2D. It takes away from the experience of what a movie should be, which to me should be emotional, a escape from the day to day drama of modern life. 3D is just a way for the film industry not to have to make a compelling movie anymore, they figure if we just make it a visual orgy they won't notice the movie itself was ok at best. I for one will not be jumping on that band waggon.
Yea: like how movies were a fad to get out of having to write good dialog for radio... and don't get me started on this whole "in color" thing.
 
htgeek

htgeek

Enthusiast
Guys don't get me wrong I'm all for progress of our common hobbie, addiction, love or whatever you want to call it. I just think ok, 3D has been around since the 20's and every so often it makes a comeback, and to be honest I for one don't enjoy the experience, even with todays technology it is still lacking. I'm also unwilling to trade in all my gear for something that may or may not even last. You spend 5or7k just to watch the 10 or so titles that make it on BD 3D and then it's over what's the sense. It wasn't until 2006 that DVD players outnumbered VHS machines, just food for thought.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
Guys don't get me wrong I'm all for progress of our common hobbie, addiction, love or whatever you want to call it. I just think ok, 3D has been around since the 20's and every so often it makes a comeback, and to be honest I for one don't enjoy the experience, even with todays technology it is still lacking.
"They don't seem to have a good way to do it" seems a viable complaint: though I think the sans-glasses dispalays for computer are good.

I'm also unwilling to trade in all my gear for something that may or may not even last.
That's less valid: as it's a problem for all new tech.

You spend 5or7k just to watch the 10 or so titles that make it on BD 3D and then it's over what's the sense. It wasn't until 2006 that DVD players outnumbered VHS machines, just food for thought.
Did you know that companies have announced 3D TV channels (I believe two of them).
 
Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
Saw this video from Sony on 3D.

 
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BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Guys don't get me wrong I'm all for progress of our common hobbie, addiction, love or whatever you want to call it. I just think ok, 3D has been around since the 20's and every so often it makes a comeback, and to be honest I for one don't enjoy the experience, even with todays technology it is still lacking. I'm also unwilling to trade in all my gear for something that may or may not even last. You spend 5or7k just to watch the 10 or so titles that make it on BD 3D and then it's over what's the sense. It wasn't until 2006 that DVD players outnumbered VHS machines, just food for thought.
What's funny, is that I don't think the arguements matter at all.

It's all blowing in the wind type stuff.

3D is a easy technology to implement into displays which are being sold. Yes, a bunch of technical hurdles, but they aren't in the display technology, they are in the microchips which go into the displays. Like LCDs with 120hz/240hz processing and frame interpolation. It's not a reinvention, but an extension of what's already there.

You mentioned DVD players, and I think that's good. How many players available now have HDMI outputs? Most of the ones you buy today have a HDMI output. I would say the majority by far do. You have to LOOK to find one which doesn't have HDMI output. Yet, only about 50% of homes have a HDTV in them at all. So, a feature is added which half the country can't use, and part of the ones that can use it, don't.

3D will be like that, it will be on almost all TVs in 2-3 years because it's easier to get the 3D enabled video processing chip than the non-3D video processing chip.

Also, it's worth noting that 'since the 20's' they have NEVER had anything like the technology we finally have to deliver 3D. Yes, it's still a glasses based technology, but it's a polarizer based technology instead of the anaglyphic glasses which were basically the only option up to this point.

Yes, 5-10 movies a YEAR may be worth viewing in 3D. Plus, 5-10 sporting events. In the FIRST year of release. This is better than HDTV really had to offer in the first year.

But, it's the inevitability of the technology and that it isn't a FORCED change. That is, yes you will be forced to buy it if you want that nicer television, but you don't have to use it. You don't have to buy the glasses. You don't have to turn on the 3D feature.

But, you probably will. You will see some 3D glasses around the holidays for $30 a pair and you'll pick up a set for your kids. Someone will buy you a set. You will have that movie you bought to watch in 2D (Avatar anyone?) which you decide that for $30 more you might as well give it a viewing in 3D.

If they are able to deliver the quality which we are seeing in theaters currently, then while many won't drink of the 3D kool-aid, many more will.

Not this year - but the inevitability of this is amazing.

Popularity and usage is not inevitable - but availability and inclusion within hardware is.
 
Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
Now from what I could find it seems that Sony is ahead of the game because the PS3 will need a firmware update to be 3D capable, now will this also apply to their current BDP and TV's they have on the market or is that to much to expect?
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Now from what I could find it seems that Sony is ahead of the game because the PS3 will need a firmware update to be 3D capable, now will this also apply to their current BDP and TV's they have on the market or is that to much to expect?
I believe some BD players will be able to do this up to a certain point. I'm not sure if any of the displays will be able to do it.

I think that regardless of how it is done (PS3 Included) the results aren't going to be as good as the new stuff being designed for 3D from the start.
 
Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
Why would the PS3 not be able to do it as well as the new players that Sony will put out? My thinking is that Sony had this preplanned and equipped the PS3 with the hardware it will need, instead of coming out with a new console right away.But I could be wrong.
 
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BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Why would the PS3 not be able to do it as well as the new players that Sony will but out? My thinking is that Sony had this preplanned and equipped the PS3 with the hardware it will need, instead of coming out with a new console right away.But I could be wrong.
The proper output rate is 120hz for 3D sources as I understand it, which most current players won't do, and I'm not sure if the PS3 will do.

I beileve that we will see 60hz 3D output, or lower resolution output to accomplish 3D from the PS3 and perhaps some other existing players.

NEW players I did not mention. New 3D capable players will deliver full 1080p 3D natively.
 
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wzofelf

Audiophyte
I was less than impressed with 3D at the show this year, mostly because I already invested in a new display this year. I'm guessing that it's going to have a tough time rolling out in '10, even with the release of Avatar around mid-year. The 3D upgrade for Playstation 3 owners was a nice surprise though.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
The proper output rate is 120hz for 3D sources as I understand it, which most current players won't do, and I'm not sure if the PS3 will do.
Interesting. If 120hz will be the new (desired) standard for 3D, I guess I might have to be pickier when choosing HDMI cables. I think the great majority of people here have little to worry about, but for those with projectors, and long cable runs, it might matter in terms of bandwidth, yes? (I'm at 25ft, Mono).

BMXTRIX, I don't remember coming across the discussion yet, but am I safe in buying a new pre/pro today, with HDMI 1.3, in using the 3D tech of tomorrow? As long as I don't care to apply VP, it can just pass-thru, yes? The pre/pro should have no trouble pulling the audio bitstreams from it, or something . . .

Thanks very much.
 

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