300GB Discs by the end of year 2006

[HookedOnSound]

Holographic storage discs capable of 300GB capacity!

read this: http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/article.jsp?article_id=69424&cat_id=581

Can you believe it? HD-DVD and BlueRay DVD haven't made it to market yet and there is another new format being proposed?

I have checked several sites and apparently this is actually likely to make it into production in the near future. Theoretical capacity is pegged at 1.6 terabytes per disc for the future!

 

[Rob Babcock]

By the time the ink is dry on a patent someone will have invented something "better." But that completely misses the point- new formats take millions (or billions) of dollars to launch and sustain, and years to become established. So let's say I come out with my Babylon 5 datacrystal player. Then what? I have to be able to mass produce it, which involved tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in capitol. Then I have to entice the labels into using it, which probably requires me to develope some way to hamstring its functionality with encryption. Then the marketing guys get the tough job; they have to convince the public to scrap their entire music or movie library and replace it yet again!

Sure new technology is cool. But you're a long ways from being able to compete with BluRay or HDDVD just because you've got a newer widget.

 

[korgoth]

plus from what i read a while ago, blue ray and hd will eventually be 6-8 layers, which would make them capable of 60-120 gigs, or more.

i also heard china is coming out with their own dvd since they get taxed so hard on license fees for dvd players and the dvd's they produce now. Im not sure if it will be a different format or just different licensing but it should be out in 2008 or so.

 

[brian32672]

I knew I read about the hologram discs about 5 or 6 months ago.
But I had recalled there was possibilities of other formats.
And discs that will hold 1 terrabyte of info. (HVD discs)

Anyhow, the hologram - and other formats were explained here many months ago.
http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/06/16/what/page8.html

Honestly I would think this is enough http://www.ddatainc.com/ (and backwards compatible)

 

[HookedOnSound]

By the time the ink is dry on a patent someone will have invented something "better." But that completely misses the point- new formats take millions (or billions) of dollars to launch and sustain, and years to become established. So let's say I come out with my Babylon 5 datacrystal player. Then what? I have to be able to mass produce it, which involved tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in capitol. Then I have to entice the labels into using it, which probably requires me to develope some way to hamstring its functionality with encryption. Then the marketing guys get the tough job; they have to convince the public to scrap their entire music or movie library and replace it yet again!

Sure new technology is cool. But you're a long ways from being able to compete with BluRay or HDDVD just because you've got a newer widget.

I agree with you, but I believe the challenges that slowed down HD-DVD and BluRay had more to with Digital Rights Managements (DRM) and developping new standardized features/format that was lacking with the current DVD technology.

I have a feeling that HDDVD/Bluray will have "opened the door" where this holographic disc will simply offer another physical media type with standards achieved with HDDVD/Bluray.

I am sure that the yr 2006 is not realistic either.

Just a thought.

 

[hifiman]

It'll be interesting to see what shakes out in the market. I'm not sure either of the HD DVD formats will be successful.

 

[Duffinator]

I want my HD format DVD

Forget the holographic disc, just give me my HD or BD DVD and I'll be happy!

 

[gellor]

Forget the holographic disc, just give me my HD or BD DVD and I'll be happy!

...and you call yourself an audioholic...

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

i also heard china is coming out with their own dvd since they get taxed so hard on license fees for dvd players and the dvd's they produce now.

Well if China developed it its probably being sold on Ebay right now! And the only media available are high-def mid 80's Jackie Chan 'Lucky Stars' films! Joy!

 

[Jack Hammer]

It's stuff like this that keeps me from buying something really nice and feeling like I'm wasting my money. I'd rather be a few years behind in technology and be able to enjoy what I have, than to keep upgrading every year and be broke trying to keep up.

I've wanted to buy a higher quality DVD player for the last year. I'd like something better than what I have now (Pioneer dv578a), but don't want to waste $700 on something that may be outdated in 6 months.

Jeff

 

[Duffinator]

...and you call yourself an audioholic...

That's right. One progression in video at a time.

 

[brian32672]

Forget the holographic disc, just give me my HD or BD DVD and I'll be happy!

I have to say Duff. You must be kidding???????????
I honestly would hate for my new BR player to end up as a doorstop.
I would most certainly go with the technology that is backwards compatible...

 

[Duffinator]

I have to say Duff. You must be kidding???????????
I honestly would hate for my new BR player to end up as a doorstop.
I would most certainly go with the technology that is backwards compatible...

I just want a player that's capable of displaying a 1080i/P image to match my HD TV. I'll be wishing for something better....after I get the next generation players. I'm all for the latest in technology, my house if filled with it, but one step at a time.

 

[furrycute]

I certainly hope someone comes out with data crystals. I am sick and tired of
seeing my discs getting scratches all over the place.

With holographic storage techonology, you are no longered limited to a wide surface area for storing data. A block of crystal is perfectly fine for me. Easier to carry around and easier to store.

 

[Jack Hammer]

??Data Crystals??

I certainly hope someone comes out with data crystals....

Huh, is that like something from Star Trek? I do kinda like the concept, though.

Jeff

 

[furrycute]

All the storage technology up to date are 2D based. That means in order to store large amounts of data, you need a large surface area, hence the harddisk platters and the optical discs.

Granted optical media now have several layers stacked on top of one another, so you now have multi-layer discs. But still that is based on a 2D concept.

Now imagine you use 3D shapes to store data. Now you can cram a large amount of data in a very small volume of space, and you are no longer restricted to storage media with a large surface area, you can make it any shape you want, as long as whatever data retrieval technology you use can adequately access the stored data.

So a holographic storage media in the shape of a block of crystal perfectly suits my needs.

 

[claudermilk]

Funny thing is I recall reading about someone who is playing with getting that to work! It's not like we don't have the technology to pull it off, eve seen thse kiosks in the malls that make a 3-D image of you in the plastic blocks? It's not too much of a stretch to make that into data storage, a burned spot=1 an unburned spot=0, poof! you have binary data!

 

[furrycute]

Now imagine holding the entire collection of the library of Congress in the palm of your hand!

And come to think of it, how many gigabytes or terabytes is that collection?

 

[Alt+F4]

Nah, those were Isolinear chips. Slightly different than I think furrycute was discribing.