2x f112 for 1xF212

[Franin]

Hi all
I've been given the option from my retailer to trade my jl audio 2x f112 for jl audio 1 F212. I know the f212 has 2 subs but I was told it would out preform my 2x f112. Know at this present moment I can only afford the 1. But I was also looking at going 4x f112 soon.
You guys are the best when it comes to subs what will be the ideal choice for me to do?

Thanks again

 

[Sheep]

I would take 2 separate subs over 1 double sub. Better frequency response in the room.

SheepStar

 

[gene]

There should be no doubts what your decision should be after reading these two articles.

http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/get-good-bass/two-subs

http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/get-good-bass/multiple-subwoofer-setup-calibration-1

 

[shadyJ]

If you are looking at getting 4x f112's soon, why not skip that and just get a f212 now and a f212 later. I think that would look nicer and make placement easier.

 

[Franin]

Thanks guys

 

[lsiberian]

If you are looking at getting 4x f112's soon, why not skip that and just get a f212 now and a f212 later. I think that would look nicer and make placement easier.

Because he could have a sub in each corner of the room if just adds 2 more f112's and get the added corner gain to help on the low end.

 

[GlocksRock]

I agree with Shadyj, I'd go with a single F212 now and add a second one later, but even if he does go with 4 F112s, he can just stack them on top of each other instead of putting one in each corner.

 

[Warpdrv]

Franin, are you still struggling with the sub scenario...

What exactly are you looking to accomplish...?

If you sell both F112's and move over to a single F212, you will gain 3db, but only from a single location, which will spoil the room dispersion that you gain with having dual subs.

I know that you hate the idea of this, but for this kind of money, you really should look at going DIY and have something custom made, its really not as hard as you would think. A couple of Dual Opposed 15" drivers in a box, and a couple of power amps to drive them would be an astonishing upgrade and not take up much more space then you have now.

Have you looked at Paradigm Subs at all...http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/1485629.html

A pair of Sub 25's would likely net far better performance here.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Warp is gonna hate this but ditch the JL all together. Believe me, I have been through this. You can sell the JL for what you paid for it on AG and get a much better sub. DIY will blow it away but if you don't want to do that(I sold my DIY because I wanted a simple plug and play) look at Submersive or SVS. I went with a SVS and get 90% of the performance of my DIY with 0 hassle. Both step all over the JL F113 much less the 112 unless you are dealing with a very small room.

Here is a small taste of 3rd party data. I have the data if you need to see it.

Freq PB13U F113 PB13U Advantage Acoustic Output

20 108.5 101.3 2.3X

25 112.4 105.5 2.2X

32 115.8 109.8 2.0X

40 116.9 114.0 1.4X

50 115.8 116.5 NA

Wrap, who is a good friend of mine will tell you the SQ is much better with the JL but I call BS...it is not...

 

[Franin]

Franin, are you still struggling with the sub scenario...

What exactly are you looking to accomplish...?

If you sell both F112's and move over to a single F212, you will gain 3db, but only from a single location, which will spoil the room dispersion that you gain with having dual subs.

I know that you hate the idea of this, but for this kind of money, you really should look at going DIY and have something custom made, its really not as hard as you would think. A couple of Dual Opposed 15" drivers in a box, and a couple of power amps to drive them would be an astonishing upgrade and not take up much more space then you have now.

Have you looked at Paradigm Subs at all...http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/1485629.html

A pair of Sub 25's would likely net far better performance here.

I would love to go down the deep bass like most of you guys. Unfortunaltey DIY is out of the question as I have no idea what im doing.Ill check out those Paradigm Subs.

 

[Franin]

Warp is gonna hate this but ditch the JL all together. Believe me, I have been through this. You can sell the JL for what you paid for it on AG and get a much better sub. DIY will blow it away but if you don't want to do that(I sold my DIY because I wanted a simple plug and play) look at Submersive or SVS. I went with a SVS and get 90% of the performance of my DIY with 0 hassle. Both step all over the JL F113 much less the 112 unless you are dealing with a very small room.

Here is a small taste of 3rd party data. I have the data if you need to see it.

Freq PB13U F113 PB13U Advantage Acoustic Output

20 108.5 101.3 2.3X

25 112.4 105.5 2.2X

32 115.8 109.8 2.0X

40 116.9 114.0 1.4X

50 115.8 116.5 NA

Wrap, who is a good friend of mine will tell you the SQ is much better with the JL but I call BS...it is not...

My room is not that big its 4x5m. The Fathoms do a good job but sometimes i feel when you have those particular deep low end scenes it goes deep but not the deep I keep hearing about.( You know those particular Transformers scenes )

Unfortunatley Im in Australia and it hard to get rid of Fathoms as they are very expensive here. We pay double here.

Ive heard of the SVS and good things about them but no shop has any to demo them.

 

[Warpdrv]

Wrap, who is a good friend of mine will tell you the SQ is much better with the JL but I call BS...it is not...

I'm not saying that the JL's SQ is better then the SVS's, they are clearly in competing realms here, both offer some of the best SQ on the market. The difference is just that the SVS is ported and the port contributes to the sound. The Ultra13's are certainly more flexible and will offer much better and higher output down low.

I personally prefer sealed, but many out there have absolutely no problem with the SQ of ported.

Franin is clearly limited on his choices, but the built in high pass on the JL's is killing his down low reproduction. Its really hard to beat the JL's in the SQ dept - they are spectacular for music but limiting for movies. Even the F113 is limited... The Paradigm Sub 15 or Sub 25's would certainly offer equal the SQ but dig much deeper, plus you can get PBK to automatically EQ your subs with your laptop. Its a scaled down version of Anthems ARC just for a sub.

Plus I think they would fit in quite nicely in the looks dept as well for you Frank - pretty much some of the best looking subs on the market IMO...

 

[Franin]

I'm not saying that the JL's SQ is better then the SVS's, they are clearly in competing realms here, both offer some of the best SQ on the market. The difference is just that the SVS is ported and the port contributes to the sound. The Ultra13's are certainly more flexible and will offer much better and higher output down low.

I personally prefer sealed, but many out there have absolutely no problem with the SQ of ported.

Franin is clearly limited on his choices, but the built in high pass on the JL's is killing his down low reproduction. Its really hard to beat the JL's in the SQ dept - they are spectacular for music but limiting for movies. Even the F113 is limited... The Paradigm Sub 15 or Sub 25's would certainly offer equal the SQ but dig much deeper, plus you can get PBK to automatically EQ your subs with your laptop. Its a scaled down version of Anthems ARC just for a sub.

Plus I think they would fit in quite nicely in the looks dept as well for you Frank - pretty much some of the best looking subs on the market IMO...

It does look quite nice and it will certainly make the wife happier. BTW how deep do they go?

 

[gene]

I agree with Shadyj, I'd go with a single F212 now and add a second one later, but even if he does go with 4 F112s, he can just stack them on top of each other instead of putting one in each corner.

What a waste of subs

 

[Franin]

What a waste of subs

I have to agree there

 

[Warpdrv]

It does look quite nice and it will certainly make the wife happier. BTW how deep do they go?

The Sub25 states 9hz DIN, but at what usable output - we just don't know, it all depends on your room. Small room adds benefit here for you - room gain should help though with your layout (middle front stage) your not gaining any boundary re-enforcement (corner loading).

The Sub 15 states 12hz....

I would imagine you'll notice a pretty sizable difference over the F112's with just the Sub15's, unless you just want that extra headroom that the larger amp in the Sub25 will offer. Depends on how loud you like to listen.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1084329

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1111570


There is also the SUB 1 & Sub 2 there as well... it will offer a vibration free cabinet design with drivers in an opposed array. Expensive

 

[AJinFLA]

what will be the ideal choice for me to do?

I was also looking at going 4x f112 soon.

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[Warpdrv]

If you were planning on going with 4 subs, how about keeping the F112's for rear reinforcement, and get a pair of Sub 15's and place them up front, you will gain the low end your looking for and they would blend just fine with the F112's, music will be awesome and movies will have new meaning for you...

Just another thought

 

[gene]

If you were planning on going with 4 subs, how about keeping the F112's for rear reinforcement, and get a pair of Sub 15's and place them up front, you will gain the low end your looking for and they would blend just fine with the F112's, music will be awesome and movies will have new meaning for you..

If you mix and match subs, the overall system f3 point will be limited to the sub with the highest 3dB point. This is discussed in the article I referenced earlier in this thread.

 

[jostenmeat]

Question regarding a unique placement strategy when using multiple subs. I think it was Savant that was mentioning this. Has anyone read or know about the benefits from placing subs at different heights?