2600 and speakers set to small???

[tclay77]

Just wondering, I bought the new Yamaha 2600 and set the speakers to small what will it be crossed over at? You have two options Small and large. Large is full band. If you set to small, you can still set the sub out to below 80hz. Really would like to know if it is fixed at 80 when set to small, or if I set the sub to 60 will the speaker be at 60 to. Manual has no numbers, just large or small.

 

[Sinsemilla]

Tclay, the crossover is not fixed at 80Hz and you can adjust it to your personal preference like this: In your GUI go to Manual Setup > Basic > Speaker set > and then scroll down to Bass Crossover, it will give you the list of frequencies you can set the crossover at.

 

[PVOIGT]

I have a similar question along this train of thought!

If you've got the crossover for the sub set to 60, but the speakers set to large, what does the receiver do? I ask this as this is what YPAO set my system up as!

What would the difference be if I had the sub crossover set to 60 and the speakers set to small?

I find this very confusing, as it seems you are answering two questions for once answer, and I'm wondering what happens if the two answers contradict each other.

Your help would be appreciated

 

[indianboy7]

It all depends on what type of speakers you have....if you have small 3-4 inch drivers, then i would actually set the crossover to 90 or maybe even 100 hz...that way there is a little overlap between the speaker dying out at those frequencies and the sub........if you have full range speakers, set the system to large and be done with it..

edit:...when you set the crossover on the sub, you're only setting the crossover for the sub itself, i.e. when set to 60 hz, the sub will not produce sound above that......

when you set it up the reciever, you are essentially setting up a high-pass filter for the speakers, i.e. when set at 60hz, no signal lower than 60 hz is sent to the satellite speakers......everything below is sent to the sub...

 

[Takeereasy]

If you are connecting the sub via the sub out/lfe out with a subwoofer cable then turn the crossover on the sub to its highest setting (all the way to the right, or to the highest # hz). The receiver will handle the crossover for you like the above post says. The only times you want to mess around with your sub's crossover is if you are using speaker level connections on your sub or if your receiver does not have a crossover built in. The 2600 does have one and it's very good, most likely way better than whats in your sub. What you need to do is post what type of speakers you have in order to get better quality help. I'll give you a quick example as it pertains to myself though. I use 4 big bookshelfs and a pretty big center speaker. All of these speakers can go pretty low, down to about 60-70hz with full authority, but the crossover I use is 80hz. That means at below 80 hz all frequencies should be fed to the sub. It also means that the sub shouldn't be getting any signals above 80hz as they should all be going to the speakers. I have the dial on back of the sub set to 200hz, but it will never see 120 of those hz. (please guys, no comments about how crossovers aren't brick walls, just trying to explain it easy)

 

[GlocksRock]

keep the speakers set to small no matter what size they are. You can also select LFE to be played out of both sub and main as well, and you can put the crossover wherever you want between a pretty wide range.

 

[PVOIGT]

Clarification of my previous question

I don't think I really conveyed the question that's twirling around within this old head of mine in my last post

First things first - I have Krix (Quality Aussie Company) Euphonix Mains, Krix Centrix Centre, Krix KDX Rears and Krix Equinox Front Effects. The mains and centre are very capable of good bass, but I lean towards putting less strain on the receiver by sending more of the low end to my extremely good Krix Seismix 7 15" Sub Woofer, in the hope of therefore getting a little more out of the midrange and high end by not working the receiver too hard - may as well use that sub I paid for

So back to the question that I stumbled through in the last post -

I understand that you are better off setting the crossover on the receiver (which I have set to 60 Hz) and setting the subwoofer crossover to maximum, which I have (I think it's 150 from memory).

I understand the logic that since my receiver has the crossover set to 60 Hz, all information below 60 Hz goes directly to the subwoofer.

What I'm wondering is what is the difference in this scenario between then setting the speakers to large or small?

It makes sense to me that when set to large the speakers deal with 60Hz + and the sub deals with 60Hz below.

But if set to small, what happens? Do the speakers stop at say 90Hz (like my old Yammie 2092 did) and send the rest to the Sub - or maybe they stop at 90 Hz and I lose between 60 & 90 Hz due to my sub crossover setting?

That's what I'm trying to get at - what impact does the small big speaker issue have considering I have already set the subwoofer crossover?

I realise that the simple answer is set the speakers to large and crossover to 60Hz or whatever sounds best, but the sub doesn't seem to turn on whilst listening to 2 CH straight music when speakers are set to large, whilst it turns on easily when speakers are set to small.

On a side issue, I have also read that the .1 info on 5.1/7.1 soundtracks is 80 Hz & below, so if I have the sub set to 60 Hz, what happens to the lost 20 Hz on the .1 soundtrack? Should the crossover be set to 80 Hz ideally to match the .1 of Digital soundtracks?

Hope I've extracted some of what's floating inside my old head in an understandable manner - mind you my setup is sounding sweet - I'm just making sure (like most of us are) that I'm not missing out on something! Wish I could become one of those in this hobby who has forgotten about bettering this and that - and can just relax and enjoy intead

 

[MarkH]

Ideally what you could do is setup the home theatre (i.e. 5.1) with the speakers set to small and your crossover setting of choice and save that as Setting 1, then run the calibration again but disconnect everything bar your Euphonix, and save that as setting 2(Large speakers). That way you should have the best of both worlds. I use Richter speakers and while they are large floorstanders I have them set to small. Anyhoo, the names "small" and "large" are a bit of a misnomer...

 

[James02]

I think the answer you want is this.
If the speakers are set to large and the sub is set to 60 then nothing from the speakers goes to the sub at all, just the lfe channel on movies. If you go into the menus and set the sub to both then the sub and the front left and right will play below 60. This will activate your sub on stereo except for pure direct which will only use the front channels.
If the speakers are set to small and the sub is set to 60 then the speakers will roll off at 60 and the sub will take over.
I personally like the both setting and then I set my center channel and back channels to small. This gives me lots of bass impact on both movies and stereo, plus the sub helps the smaller speakers. Note: my front speakers are large floor standers.
Hope this helps

James

 

[mnnc]

I don't think I really conveyed the question that's twirling around within this old head of mine in my last post

First things first - I have Krix (Quality Aussie Company) Euphonix Mains, Krix Centrix Centre, Krix KDX Rears and Krix Equinox Front Effects. The mains and centre are very capable of good bass, but I lean towards putting less strain on the receiver by sending more of the low end to my extremely good Krix Seismix 7 15" Sub Woofer, in the hope of therefore getting a little more out of the midrange and high end by not working the receiver too hard - may as well use that sub I paid for

So back to the question that I stumbled through in the last post -

I understand that you are better off setting the crossover on the receiver (which I have set to 60 Hz) and setting the subwoofer crossover to maximum, which I have (I think it's 150 from memory).

I understand the logic that since my receiver has the crossover set to 60 Hz, all information below 60 Hz goes directly to the subwoofer.

What I'm wondering is what is the difference in this scenario between then setting the speakers to large or small?

It makes sense to me that when set to large the speakers deal with 60Hz + and the sub deals with 60Hz below.

But if set to small, what happens? Do the speakers stop at say 90Hz (like my old Yammie 2092 did) and send the rest to the Sub - or maybe they stop at 90 Hz and I lose between 60 & 90 Hz due to my sub crossover setting?

That's what I'm trying to get at - what impact does the small big speaker issue have considering I have already set the subwoofer crossover?

I realise that the simple answer is set the speakers to large and crossover to 60Hz or whatever sounds best, but the sub doesn't seem to turn on whilst listening to 2 CH straight music when speakers are set to large, whilst it turns on easily when speakers are set to small.

On a side issue, I have also read that the .1 info on 5.1/7.1 soundtracks is 80 Hz & below, so if I have the sub set to 60 Hz, what happens to the lost 20 Hz on the .1 soundtrack? Should the crossover be set to 80 Hz ideally to match the .1 of Digital soundtracks?

Hope I've extracted some of what's floating inside my old head in an understandable manner - mind you my setup is sounding sweet - I'm just making sure (like most of us are) that I'm not missing out on something! Wish I could become one of those in this hobby who has forgotten about bettering this and that - and can just relax and enjoy intead

First turn x-over on sub itself to above 100hz or so or all the way up to 120/150hz whatever your case may be. I would suggest trying the bass out both setting, small, for music listening with sub x-over on receiver set at 60 (save setting for future reference). For movies I would choose bass out sub only, small, with x-over at 80hz via recv'r. You set subwoofer and forget it and instead use recv'r to control what goes where and who gets what concerning freq's. This works well with my 2500. The whole small/large thing is really confusing to most. Has nothing to do with size but rather speakers ability to handle lower bass and lfe's. Honestly not many, including gazillion dollar speakers, can faithfully reproduce lfe's like a dedicated subwoofer can and is designed to do. This is reason why you relieve the mains the burden of delivering or trying to deliver these low freq's and set recv'r so that those signals are sent to sub. Movies also demand higher power to produce same spl's than does music because of the silent passages and sudden explosions. Good luck.