100" 1080P plasma or LCD.

[Sleestack]

Thanks for the thoughtful response, however most of those issues are non issues for me. I''ll be renovating my entire house down to the studs and am designing a HT room, which will allow me to have the appropriate mounting hardware proefessionally installed. I'll have the TV professionally installed as well. I'm having all my wiring redone so that each socket in that room (and my other audio rooms) will be on its own circuit. The large amount of energy is an issue, but worth it IMO..

I haven't had that much exposure to projectors, but I really want something that functions with the simplicity of a traditional TV. My other alternative is to set up a projector and screen for movies and build something for my 50" Pioneer Elite plasma that will allow me to raise it for TV use and lower itfor projector use. I'll have to talk to my contractors about that.

Yes, there are a couple of reasons if they have not already been mentioned. For plasma, weight would definitely be a factor. I'm not sure, but I believe that most 42" Plasmas weight 60 to 70 lbs. That would mean that a 100" Plasma display may weigh as much as 5 to 6 times that much which could potentially put you over 400 lbs...

Another problem would be to physically bring it into your house. Remember 100" screen means that it is also around 60" tall. That means that getting around corners or moving it into tight areas may be impossible to do.

A third problem would be energy. If I remember correctly, Plasmas actually suck up quite a bit of energy (LCDs do less). Add to that the much larger mass, and you'll have a TV that, by itself may not be a burden on your electrical supply, but, in combination with some other audio/video equipment and you may have to ensure that your new big-screen TV has a dedicated 15amp outlet.

Wall mounting again will be a problem for the weight and size issues mentioned above.

I think everything else considered, aside from cost, those should be enough to warrant some consideration.

 

[Sheep]

I've said it once, and I will say it again;

I hate you Sleestack. Damn you and your money.

I would not spend that much on a tv. I could buy a whole new system, AND reno my entire room with EVERYTHING I need for less than 50K.

SheepStar

 

[masak_aer]

This is my FIRST time ever to read that somebody said that 50K for a TV is not a really big deal. My gosh, I even have to buy my speakers 2 pieces at a time. Right now i'm saving to buy my first pair...

I hate you so much.....Can I work at your house..as whatever, as long as you let me watch movies at your place...?

 

[Sleestack]

This is my FIRST time ever to read that somebody said that 50K for a TV is not a really big deal. My gosh, I even have to buy my speakers 2 pieces at a time. Right now i'm saving to buy my first pair...

I hate you so much.....Can I work at your house..as whatever, as long as you let me watch movies at your place...?

No, $50K is a big deal, but I can budget for it. Trust me, I will have to explain a $50K TV to the wife. I see it more as a part of the cost of my home renovation. I'm not lookig to spend $50K for a TV, but if that is the only way I can get what I want, I don't have much choice.

 

[gmichael]

No, $50K is a big deal, but I can budget for it. Trust me, I will have to explain a $50K TV to the wife. I see it more as a part of the cost of my home renovation. I'm not lookig to spend $50K for a TV, but if that is the only way I can get what I want, I don't have much choice.

HAHAHAH You'd have to EXPLAIN a $50k TV? Most of us would have to PRINT the $50k in our basement.

Not that I have a color printer in my basement.

 

[BMXTRIX]

Sleestack - About the only way to go big is to go with projection. You may want to talk to a decent A/V consultant who can help you with some ideas of how to make it all work like a piece of cake.

Rear projection using a front projector can give you a 100"+ image and by using a mirror bounce system may only require a few feet of additional space. The rear projection setup can allow for a lot of ambient light in the room while in use - very cool, and on target with budgeting.

Like a regular TV? - Take a look at getting a serious control system for the setup. Crestron, with handheld or touchpanel remotes make the most complicated systems one button easy.

Don't believe it? Really! It's true. I run a plasma & projector in the same room. About 15 sources available to me. One touch turns it on. What does that mean? It means that it fires up the plasma, turns on the surround system, properly goes to the correct input on the displays, makes sure the right equipment is on, and it starts playing through the speakers just like an everyday TV. Want the projector? One button press 'switch' - and it is done. The plasma turns off, the screen drops from the ceiling, the projector turns on - and goes to the correct input.

Turn it off? Once again - just press the power off button and it all goes away. Add to that multiple audio/video zones in the home speakers everywhere, music everywhere you want it - all from one integrated system that maintains consistency in all locations. Take a look, do some thinking about this type of setup...
My setup:
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16858

 

[Sleestack]

Thanks for the advice.... a few thoughts.

I'm not sure I understand why you can't go big with the new plasmas and LCDs that will be coming out. I really want something wall mounted b/c I use 5 Andra II towers that require the TV to be at least 5 feet off the ground, so I'm not sure rear projection will work for me. I'll have to think about that one.

I considered a Creston controller, but I'm not sure I really need one. The TACT gear all gets controlled via RS232. Other than that it's just a TV and my 5910 and PL1-A, which any good universal can handle. I also set things up so all of my video gear is usually totally shut down b/c I only watch TV and movies 2 or 3 days a week for a few hours. My primary use is audio.

I'm also not a big fan of having an audio system w/ a central control center and multiple zones. Instead, I just set up different systems in each room that I use for audio b/c it gives me an excuse to buy a variety of gear.

Sleestack - About the only way to go big is to go with projection. You may want to talk to a decent A/V consultant who can help you with some ideas of how to make it all work like a piece of cake.

Rear projection using a front projector can give you a 100"+ image and by using a mirror bounce system may only require a few feet of additional space. The rear projection setup can allow for a lot of ambient light in the room while in use - very cool, and on target with budgeting.

Like a regular TV? - Take a look at getting a serious control system for the setup. Crestron, with handheld or touchpanel remotes make the most complicated systems one button easy.

Don't believe it? Really! It's true. I run a plasma & projector in the same room. About 15 sources available to me. One touch turns it on. What does that mean? It means that it fires up the plasma, turns on the surround system, properly goes to the correct input on the displays, makes sure the right equipment is on, and it starts playing through the speakers just like an everyday TV. Want the projector? One button press 'switch' - and it is done. The plasma turns off, the screen drops from the ceiling, the projector turns on - and goes to the correct input.

Turn it off? Once again - just press the power off button and it all goes away. Add to that multiple audio/video zones in the home speakers everywhere, music everywhere you want it - all from one integrated system that maintains consistency in all locations. Take a look, do some thinking about this type of setup...
My setup:
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16858

 

[morkys]

I have few words for the largest plasma screens...

Heavy
Bulky
Awkward

...and...

Power Consumption

42" = 357 W
50" = 480 W
65" = 695 W
100" = ???

Power Hogs

Compare that with LCD TV's

19" = 66W
23" = 83W
26" = 121W
32" = 147W (less than half the power of the 42" plasma)

Still room for improvement...but better than plasma.

Just get a smaller LCD TV to watch during the day and get it over with and get a front projector and 100" plus screen for larger viewing.

 

[BMXTRIX]

A few considerations...
1. IMO you won't see larger than about 60" displays - going up to 70+ inches makes them prohibitively awkward and expensive. With very limited market demand, it would drive prices through the roof - forget $50K - think $100K+. It sounds great, but simply isn't realistic.

2. A rear projection mirror bounce can be any height you wish if space allows. The center channel of course being the toughie that forces things up.

3. Shoot ideas with a custom installer who works big jobs ($500K+) and see what suggestions are there. I do Crestron which is where my expertise falls - think lots of the best new gear you can think of, not limited to one room or one source - but 50 sources to 60 rooms. (okay, biggest I've done is about 40 sources to 30 rooms)

4. If it is only you using the equipment, and you are technically savvy enough to use it properly, or are buttons and knobsy, then why even consider simplifying? Go big, get the best currently available, that actually delivers quality to you for that money.

 

[Sleestack]

A few considerations...
1. IMO you won't see larger than about 60" displays - going up to 70+ inches makes them prohibitively awkward and expensive. With very limited market demand, it would drive prices through the roof - forget $50K - think $100K+. It sounds great, but simply isn't realistic.

2. A rear projection mirror bounce can be any height you wish if space allows. The center channel of course being the toughie that forces things up.

3. Shoot ideas with a custom installer who works big jobs ($500K+) and see what suggestions are there. I do Crestron which is where my expertise falls - think lots of the best new gear you can think of, not limited to one room or one source - but 50 sources to 60 rooms. (okay, biggest I've done is about 40 sources to 30 rooms)

4. If it is only you using the equipment, and you are technically savvy enough to use it properly, or are buttons and knobsy, then why even consider simplifying? Go big, get the best currently available, that actually delivers quality to you for that money.

As far as audio goes, I've got as good as I need. I already have over $100K in the audio portion of my HT and can't think of any changes I would want to make. I'm not looking to simplify... I just don't want things I'll never use. I only want audio running through my pre/pro and firmly believe advanced room correction is absolutey necessary. I have yet to hear a home system that wouldn't be improved by it. I'm also very happy running all Eggleston Andra IIs. I've talked to several custom installers who work with an advanced home automation/control company I'm involved with . The only piece that I'm left to ponder is the TV. I'll have to think about it more, but I'm pretty sure I'll never go with a front projector. Rear projection could work for me, but I do have 6 months to think about it, so I want to see what is available down the road.

 

[sokrman14]

You can also take a look at the Sony Qualia projector. 1080P has only gotten great reviews, and it runs just at 30K. Check sony.com/qualia. Its the Qualia 004. Simply amazing. I only know of two sony qualia stores, Vegas and New York. Im sure you can find them on display elsewhere though.

 

[Sleestack]

2. A rear projection mirror bounce can be any height you wish if space allows. The center channel of course being the toughie that forces things up.

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What if I had a structure built to support the weight and depth of a huge rear projection TV. Is there anything available (or that will soon be available) that will give me outstanding PQ, 1080P and a 100" screen?

 

[Hi Ho]

I have never heard of a 100" RPTV. The biggest I have seen is a 70" Mitsubishi.

I too recommend a projector. A RPTV setup with a projector is basically a giant RPTV. A front projection system would give you an amazing picture as well.

Judging by what the $2,000 DLP projectors can do, with your budget, you could get the best picture available. InFocus, Yamaha, Sanyo, there are many excellent projectors out there.

If you wanted to use it with ambient light the recently reviewd Visage projector screen should give amazing results.

 

[sokrman14]

the biggest RPTV available now is a 73" mitsubishi, they used to have an 82", but I havent seen that in years. You really should look into an awesome front projector as many have said, check out the Qualia 004

 

[Sleestack]

It sounds like I'm going to have to consider a projector. Perhaps I'll get a top notch projector for movies and have a 65" LCD for daily use that can disappear into a panel below the projector screen.

 

[BMXTRIX]

What if I had a structure built to support the weight and depth of a huge rear projection TV. Is there anything available (or that will soon be available) that will give me outstanding PQ, 1080P and a 100" screen?

A rear projection TV is a front projector built into a case and structure for rear projection. Going with a mirror bounce is how all rear projection really does work... perhaps a bit more optics, but traditionally, a mirror bounce setup.

If you get a projector, like the Sony Ruby, get a mirror bounce, and have it properly installed you can get an absolutely killer 1080p image, with an available 1080p source, and a 100" (or more) diagonal rear projection screen, that is phenomenally integrated into your wall system. How does it compare with 'traditional' RPTVs? It IS traditional! This is the way professional setups are done all the time - and it is the reason Stewart and other screen companies make rear projection materials.

Basically, if Mistsubishi made a 100" diagonal screen, then this would likely still be the better way to go. It is like getting separates instead of a home theater in a box. That's a pretty no-brainer to understand that you get to pick and choose the best quality components. This is the same thing. Get a good mirror bounce, get a good screen, get a killer projector... have it properly installed. 'BOOM!' a totally killer system for the money.

Thank you thank you - I'll be here all week.

 

[Sleestack]

A rear projection TV is a front projector built into a case and structure for rear projection. Going with a mirror bounce is how all rear projection really does work... perhaps a bit more optics, but traditionally, a mirror bounce setup.

If you get a projector, like the Sony Ruby, get a mirror bounce, and have it properly installed you can get an absolutely killer 1080p image, with an available 1080p source, and a 100" (or more) diagonal rear projection screen, that is phenomenally integrated into your wall system. How does it compare with 'traditional' RPTVs? It IS traditional! This is the way professional setups are done all the time - and it is the reason Stewart and other screen companies make rear projection materials.

Basically, if Mistsubishi made a 100" diagonal screen, then this would likely still be the better way to go. It is like getting separates instead of a home theater in a box. That's a pretty no-brainer to understand that you get to pick and choose the best quality components. This is the same thing. Get a good mirror bounce, get a good screen, get a killer projector... have it properly installed. 'BOOM!' a totally killer system for the money.

Thank you thank you - I'll be here all week.

Thanks for the detailed info. I'll definitely start looking into it.

 

[RMK!]

Thanks for the detailed info. I'll definitely start looking into it.

One of the managers at Magnolia HIFI described this concept to me several months ago. They work with a couple of contractors here in the Sacramento area who have done this for some "high end" installs. The obvious advantage of this R/P concept and the thing I like most is you only need light control behind the screen/wall where the projector and mirrors are. The room itself can have normal ambient light. Very cool concept. Thanks for the info.

 

[morkys]

Does anybody know where I could actually view a good Ruby setup in Southern Ontario? I actually saw the Qualia 004 in action. Pretty awesome, but I couldn't even afford to think about thinking about a Qualia. A used Ruby, now thats a slight possibility in a year or two...

The trouble with the higher end is that the technology has value that sinks like a rock in a pond. Today the Ruby is $10,999..and in two years, when newer LCD technology, and newer SXRD techno comes out, the value of a used Ruby will be much lower. I guess its like anything else, but you lose so much more cash value compared to lower end stuff. My Hitachi TX200 was $2200.00 brand new. In a year, I could likely get a nice $1200.00 for it if its working well with low bulb hours. You will lose alot more on a Ruby in a year...wouldn't you? Like two or 3 grand?