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<font color='#000000'>Rob; You raise very valid points. People don't always buy products based solely on performance. &nbsp;There is something to be said about product appeal, brand name recognition, appearances, etc.</font>

<font color='#000000'>All; Unless otherwise specified, when an amplifier company lists SNR it is a full power rating.  This is somewhat misleading since the listener rarely achieves such high output levels while preserving their hearing and their speakers. To translate a rating down to 1 watt...

<font color='#000000'>Yamahaluver, It does seem these days that people are often concerned with brute power, not unlike sound reinforcement in pro audio, as opposed to low noise, high fidelity, well integrated audio. I believe the Outlaw amp is Class G which starts out as a Class AB in lower...

<font color='#000000'>3dB; Magazines such as Sound&amp;Vision already have and proven that $800 receivers such as the Denon AVR-2803 have about 10dB better SNR via the analog inputs, while also exhibiting better linearity and SNR for PCM, then the likes of many $3500 and up processors.  Check...

<font color='#000000'>Paul; You have made some excellent comments in your last post. &nbsp;Perhaps points in this discussion need to be turned into an article. I would hate to lose this information in the archives of this forum.</font>

<font color='#000000'>3dB ; Your responses are hard to follow. &nbsp;Note sure where yours begin and mine end. &nbsp;However, given the choice of Processors between the Krell Showcase for example and a Yamaha RX-Z9 or Denon AVR-5803, I choose the latter two. &nbsp;However that is my personal...

<font color='#000000'>3dB; I am sorry but I disagree with many of your points.  It has been a misconception for a long time now that Separates always guarantee better performance.  Until recently that may have been true, but it simply is not the case anymore. Small high end companies simply...

<font color='#000000'>3dB; Sorry to burst your bubble but the separates solutions from Outlaw and many other entry level companies separates solutions priced at the same or sometimes higher than todays flagship receivers are really no match.  Signal to Noise ratio is very relevent, especially...

<font color='#000000'>Pam; We don't at all feel the Sunfire Ultimate receiver should be in the same category as the other products you mentioned.  We feel it is too lacking in performance and features.  Please read our review of the Sunfire Theater Grand III.  The Sunfire Ultimate Receiver is...

<font color='#000000'>Andy; If you have a digital display that utilizes DVI and your happy with the Denon brand, you may wish to wait for their announcement on the upgrade plan for the 5803 and future models. &nbsp;However, I cannot recommend the new Sony receiver since we have not yet...

<font color='#000000'>Bruce; I agree this discussion forum is meant to hear all sides of the story and in a friendly non hostile manner. &nbsp;However, you posted some fallacies about the Z9, particularly on how you rate its all channel power ability that I had to clarify. &nbsp;You have to...

<font color='#000000'>Gentlemen; I am growing tired of disputing power figures.  The bottom line is just about every receiver and many high end multi channel amps rate power with 1 or 2 channels driven.  Why is that?  To inflate #'s.  Its a #'s game that they must play to make power hungry...

<font color='#000000'>Bruce; You biases against receivers are clear, as are your biases against Yamaha products in general.  However, your argument is silly at best and holds very little water.  What do you consider worthy of “Flagship” stature?  Should the product have a thicker faceplate...

<font color='#000000'>Bruce or Bill?; It is unfortunate that your lack of understanding power ratings if forcing you to draw wrong conclusions about a product you know little about.  The power rating on the back of the receiver is NOT a maximum rating.  It is based on a UL rating for average...

<font color='#000000'>Audiouser; I agree with you it would be great to have a direct digital connection from the DVD player to the display.  However, the standards are still in a state of flux.  Realize this was especially true when the Z9 was on the design table over a year ago. My argument...

<font color='#000000'>Bruce; You can't always believe what you hear on forums.  This is especially true for what you hear over at AVS.  With the exception of a few, many of the people are misinformed and evaluating a product based on marketing literature that is known to have misprints or...

<font color='#000000'>Yamahaluver; I do agree with you, especially about some of the low $$$ digital amps. &nbsp;The Outlaw amp I believe is Class B and switches to G during high output. &nbsp;I am also not a fan of amps that employ trackdown converters such as those from Sunfire. &nbsp;IMO...

<font color='#000000'>Polks LSI series looks impressive. &nbsp;They are using pretty high end Vifa tweeter that measures quite well and used by many high end companies. &nbsp;If they implemented it right, it should be a good speaker. &nbsp;The reviews are positive on these speakers in many...

<font color='#000000'>It will probably be a year or so before Yamaha offers products to bridge the gaps between the 2400 and Z1 and Z9.... Kinda odd, but that seems to be the plan.</font>

<font color='#000000'>Rob/All; Since AVS has implemented a no Audioholics.com link policy, we have no choice but to do the same. &nbsp;Please refrain from posting links to that website on these forums. &nbsp;Thank you.</font>