Whatever happened to Hi-Fi?

[ImcLoud]

Viny's high frequency cutoff. Is somewhere in the neighbourhood of 70KHz which is more than 3xtimes than the 20KHzlimit of human hearing. This was an experiment and never made it commericially. High frequency is not a problem for vinyl. Bass frequencies are far more problematic.

It all comes down to personal preferences. I will take the vinyl sound with its scratches over compressed audio any day.

This is what I do not understand, when vunyl guys, say "I like my scratches and pops" and then in the same sentence mention clarity and "good sound"..... I have been to a lot of concerts and promis you I never heard any scratching coming from the band..

 

[Ponzio]

This is what I do not understand, when vunyl guys, say "I like my scratches and pops" and then in the same sentence mention clarity and "good sound"..... I have been to a lot of concerts and promis you I never heard any scratching coming from the band..

True but you do get some tube amplifier hum.

 

[ImcLoud]

True but you do get some tube amplifier hum.

Yes, and once I thought Bruce did some permanent inner ear damage when he dropped his mic, then it touched his guitar when he lifted the stand back up, it made the loudest screech scream I ever heard lol, we were practically in the speakers...

 

[cpp]

I am aware of your preference for vinyl records and the sound of their mechanical playback, and I'm always willing to tolerate and respect the preferences of others .

The high frequency response of digital recordings on CD is deliberately limited to about 22,000 Hz. Vinyl playback has no such upper limit. But to suggest that vinyl's potential high frequency performance might be part of vinyl's characteristic sound is, however, quite wrong. You never said that outright in your post, but others have claimed as much.

The limiting factor to the high frequency performance of any recorded music, digital or analog, is the performance of the recording microphones. Few if any recording microphones are actually capable of operating as high as 20,000 Hz, much less at significantly higher frequencies such as 70,000. During the decades when vinyl records were the main commercial form of high fidelity recordings, recording microphones rarely operated higher than 15,000 Hz. So the sound at 20,000 Hz or higher on vinyl playback is irrelevant.

not to side track this thread but that limiting high freq factor of LP had me searching. Analysis of Vinyl Frequency Content

have your on LP's made http://gottagrooverecords.com/vinyl-mastering/

I like vinyl also, but it all comes down to how the LP or CD were made and if you have a quality product. Mastering is so important, garbage in equal garbage out.

 

[3db]

I am aware of your preference for vinyl records and the sound of their mechanical playback, and I'm always willing to tolerate and respect the preferences of others .

The high frequency response of digital recordings on CD is deliberately limited to about 22,000 Hz. Vinyl playback has no such upper limit. But to suggest that vinyl's potential high frequency performance might be part of vinyl's characteristic sound is, however, quite wrong. You never said that outright in your post, but others have claimed as much.

The limiting factor to the high frequency performance of any recorded music, digital or analog, is the performance of the recording microphones. Few if any recording microphones are actually capable of operating as high as 20,000 Hz, much less at significantly higher frequencies such as 70,000. During the decades when vinyl records were the main commercial form of high fidelity recordings, recording microphones rarely operated higher than 15,000 Hz. So the sound at 20,000 Hz or higher on vinyl playback is irrelevant.

Can you show me in my last post where I suggested viny'ls potential high frequency performance is part of vinyl's characteristic sound? I said this was a lab experiment and never made it commercially. That is an implication on your part, not mine. I would also like to see proof of the recording mics. What about today's vinyl recordings? My dad had a test record in the early 60s era which had an audio track that tested the 20 to 20KHz bandwidth. It may have been the exception rather than the rule.

 

[3db]

This is what I do not understand, when vunyl guys, say "I like my scratches and pops" and then in the same sentence mention clarity and "good sound"..... I have been to a lot of concerts and promis you I never heard any scratching coming from the band..

I've heard a lot of low bit MP3s that sound horrid. What's your point?

 

[Ponzio]

I thought I'd throw some more gasoline on the fire. I remember reading this article in 2000 and using it as a guide in all my hi-fi purchases. To date I haven't seen, heard or read anything that would change my mind.

http://www.theaudiocritic.com/back_issues/The_Audio_Critic_26_r.pdf

 

[markw]

I have been to a lot of concerts and promis you I never heard any scratching coming from the band..

I gues the sorta depends on the quality of the groupies they attract.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I don't like Vinyl because there's no App to play it on my iPhone.

 

[3db]

I don't like Vinyl because there's no App to play it on my iPhone.

That's one reason I love vinyl. APPLE cannot but in and control yet another facet of music. I'm not an Apple sheeple.

 

[cpp]

That's one reason I love vinyl. APPLE cannot but in and control yet another facet of music. I'm not an Apple sheeple.

Well said... App for this App for that, heck with apps when a person wants to enjoy plain old simple @ chl stereo there is nothing like cuing the arm and waiting for the magic to begin. Of course a well setup TT and arm and cartridge and phono amp help

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

That's one reason I love vinyl. APPLE cannot but in and control yet another facet of music. I'm not an Apple sheeple.

I'm a sheeple of all new digital toys. It doesn't matter if it's Apple, Android, Sony, etc.

No prejudice here. Equal opportunity. I am player.

 

[3db]

I'm a sheeple of all new digital toys. It doesn't matter if it's Apple, Android, Sony, etc.

No prejudice here. Equal opportunity. I am player.

LMAO Good one.