Playing with OmniMic

Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
I've previously admitted to becoming an OmniMic measurement system junkie, spending a lot of time measuring my music system and tuning it endlessly by changing bass EQ, crossover points, and speaker and subwoofer positioning. WRT frequency response at my listening position, all of this measurement and adjustment has paid off very well. Not only does the system now measure a lot better, it sounds better.

One aspect of the OnmiMic's capabilities I had previously stayed away from, measuring distortion, because I figured it was a useless exercise in a home listening room. I've been a little bored lately, being so happy with the way my system sounds I have nothing to complain about, and I'm basically done tuning it. I was listening late in the evening a couple of days ago, my wife wasn't home, and on a lark I brought up OmniMic to do some perhaps useless exploration. First, I wanted to see how quiet my room was, which is important for distortion tests. I turned off the HVAC system to make sure it couldn't run, and even turned off the refrigerator so it wouldn't make any noise. OmniMic said my room averaged 29db, with a peak spike of 33db centered at 140Hz; I suspected some the breeze outside. Not bad for a house in a dense suburb! I wonder what the OmniMic's noise floor is?

Anyway, for the first time I tried OmniMic's distortion display, with 1/12th octave smoothing. The mic was on a boom at about my ear level, six feet from the right speaker, which is in a very open part of the listening area. At 80db at 1KHz, which meant that the way my system is tuned it would be about 83db at 30Hz and about 77db at 12KHz, 2nd and 3rd harmonic distortion averaged 45db below the fundamentals, 47db lower from 1KHz-3KHz, and no higher than -40db. Not bad! I didn't think measurements in-room would yield numbers like that. Remember, -40db is 1%, -50db is 0.32%, so considering these measurements weren't done in an anechoic chamber, that's indicative of very low overall distortion (unless the measurements are completely bogus, which is always possible when performed by a non-expert).

The wide-range measurements were one thing, but I was more interested in the bass octaves. I run my mains, Revel Salon2s, full-range, and I use a Velodyne DD18 Plus with an 80Hz low-pass filter, and some rather complex EQ in the Velodyne intended to make it a bass "filler" to smooth in-room response, rather than a classic sub-sat system. Measuring bass distortion is a lot more difficult than in the upper octaves, so I used a very sophisticated setup :) . I put the mic on a boom so that it was set two feet off the floor, with a vee-configuration of stacked king-sized pillows behind the mic. Seriously, I found the pillows improved the distortion readings by about 2db.

My first test used track 3 of the OmniMic test CD, which is an all-octave sine wave sweep. Even with foam ear plugs in, this track is very annoying at 90db, so I only did a couple of bass measurements this way, but they intrigued me. At a measured 90db at 30Hz, bass distortion was 42db down from the fundamental on the complete system, and nearly 45db down on the Salon2s alone. I did the test twice, with the same result. Hmmm... that's not what I expected.

Track 3 was annoying me so much that I switched to specific test signals from audiocheck.net. The 32Hz signal played at 90db as measured by the mic did indeed have about 2-3db less distortion on the Salon2s than on the Velodyne. Not that the Velodyne's distortion of less than 40db below the fundamental is bad, but it still surprised me that the Salon2s were better. Just a guess, but the Salon2s are ported and the Velodyne is sealed, and that might be a factor.

At 20Hz and 90db, which could be felt more than heard, the distortion on the Salon2s with the Velodyne was still below -40db in the 2nd and 3rd harmonics. I also ran a test at 100db at 20Hz, and the full-system result was inconclusive. Too many things in the room rattled, the windows behind the system were vibrating (not audibly, but I could feel them moving quite a bit), the fireplace glass and screen were vibrating and rattling, a lamp was rattling, and as I was trying to debug all of the noises I was getting slowly nauseous. It sure was impressive sounding though. Trying the 100db at 20Hz test just with the Salon2s required the level control to be turned up quite a bit, while the Velodyne alone seemed to be cruising. Audibly I perceived little difference between the tests of the Salon2 and the Velodyne alone, once the levels were matched on the OmniMic, though the Velodyne seemed cleaner, if I had to guess.

None of this is at all conclusive or scientific, but it was fun. I'm also wondering... would the Funk 18.3 I've been thinking about have substantially lower distortion than the Velodyne. I'm getting closer to wanting to find out.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Warlord
I've thought about getting the Omnimic system, but $300 is a bit steep.:(
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
Agreed. You might look into REW. There was a thread on this site about putting together a configuration, but I can't find it now.
 
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GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Warlord
Yeah, I considered REW as well, but Omnimic just looks simpler to implement. Which is why I have neither setup....:rolleyes:
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

Audioholic Warlord
Yeah, I considered REW as well, but Omnimic just looks simpler to implement. Which is why I have neither setup....:rolleyes:
The only way REW is more complicated IMO is getting everything set up and making sure all the sampling rates match, calibrating a soundcard, etc. once setup is done its pretty much as plug and play as omnimic.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
You can also use REW with a calibrated USB mic.
 
STRONGBADF1

STRONGBADF1

Audioholic Spartan
Three bills is worth it if you use it often but it's a little steep if you only use it once in a blue moon. Dayton Audio OmniMic V2 Precision Audio Measurement System 390-792


The only way REW is more complicated IMO is getting everything set up and making sure all the sampling rates match, calibrating a soundcard, etc. once setup is done its pretty much as plug and play as omnimic.
Which is why more people don't use it.:) The UMIK-1 debacle is/was a shame too. Did that ever get satisfactorily sorted out? Is the cross spectrum labs calibrated version the only way it is accurate enough???
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

Audioholic Warlord
The UMIK-1 debacle is/was a shame too. Did that ever get satisfactorily sorted out? Is the cross spectrum labs calibrated version the only way it is accurate enough???
I still have both of my batch 1 mics and may send them to CSL someday since supposedly there are no hardware issues with batch 1 mics. As for CSL as the only way to get them accurate enough, AFAIK the newest UMIK 1 mics are pretty close to the CSL calibrated mics, but since they're practically the same price ($95 vs $95 +shipping) I'd go with the CSL mic anyways because then you get the UMIK cal file and the CSL cal file.

Another issue is that I recently read over on techtalk that the Dayton UMM-6 cal files are not without some problems. Not to the extent of the UMIKs, but guys are finding that the cal files are off enough to influence their builds (tweeter padding levels, crossovers, etc). Again, given the extremely close pricing of the CSL version ($95 + shipping vs $88 + shipping) I'm not sure why anyone is buying these mics from anywhere but CSL.
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
One strong point for OmniMic, other than it is so easy to get working, is that Parts Express really understands what customer service means, and stands behind what they sell. When I had a problem with my OmniMic V1 microphone after about a year, I called them for advice. Just send the entire kit back, they said, and completely for free they sent me an OmniMic V2.

I should also add that using OmniMic to learn about my system and my room and optimize sub positioning and DSP adjustments has improved my system's sound so much that $300 seems like a screaming bargain.
 
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fuzz092888

fuzz092888

Audioholic Warlord
One strong point for OmniMic, other than it is so easy to get working, is that Parts Express really understands what customer service means, and stands behind what they sell. When I had a problem with my OmniMic V1 microphone after about a year, I called them for advice. Just send the entire kit back, they said, and completely for free they sent me an OmniMic V2.

I should also add that using OmniMic to learn about my system and my room and optimize sub positioning and DSP adjustments has improved my system's sound so much that $300 seems like a screaming bargain.
I've looked over the Omnimic stuff before and it does seem like no brainer software and I too have always only had good experience with PE. That being said, I've only had good experiences with CSL as well and the REW community forum over at HTS. You can get setup advice and recommendations from hundreds of users as well as the program writer himself. For basic measurements, I think both are extremely easy, especially now that USB mics are readily available which takes the hardest parts of REW setup out of the equation.

In any case, whichever road a person decides to go down, going down at least one should yield a much greater understanding of their equipment and room leading to (hopefully) a better tuned, better sounding system.
 
ski2xblack

ski2xblack

Audioholic Samurai
One strong point for OmniMic, other than it is so easy to get working, is that Parts Express really understands what customer service means, and stands behind what they sell. When I had a problem with my OmniMic V1 microphone after about a year, I called them for advice. Just send the entire kit back, they said, and completely for free they sent me an OmniMic V2.

I should also add that using OmniMic to learn about my system and my room and optimize sub positioning and DSP adjustments has improved my system's sound so much that $300 seems like a screaming bargain.
I've had nearly identical experience as you, both customer service and system optimization. While a bit troubling that we both got bum mics, overall and for the sake of the music a very positive experience.
 
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