home theater or amp?... which one is the best? I'm a girl and need urgent help!!!

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Etoile13

Audiophyte
Hello guys! ... my boyfriend just bought a pair of floor standing PSB T6 , I would like to use it both for music and movies, mainly because he spends much of his time watching movies but I hear a lot of music too...his 30th birthday is coming! so what I would like to do is buy him an amp or a home theater, this is why I need urgent help!!! could you give me a hand??

... In my quest for the perfect gift I bumped into some of them, such as NAD 356BEE, ONKYO A9050 and a DENON 5.1 (but I can't recall the model name)all of them sound awesome, but I like the first one more, do you recomend?? ahh also I discovered: Yamaha RX-V475 AV receiver in a website -according to most people commenting that post, said it is good- as you can see I'm really lost... any opinion is welcome.

Thanxxx!!
 
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sharkman

Full Audioholic
You have named different integrated amps and receivers, so need we need to understand something. What is the rest of the equipment you and your boyfriend have. Is it just the 2 speakers, the PSB T6? Or is there more, like 5 speakers altogether. I guess you have some kind of tv, but what do you play your music with, a cd player? Do you have a blu ray player? And if you are looking for an amp, what amp do you have right now that is playing your music?

Answering these questions will help know what you need to buy.
 
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Etoile13

Audiophyte
Hi sharkman,

Yes, my crazy boyfriend bought the 2 speakers (PSB T6) just because he felt in love with them after listening them at a store. The actual problem was that he wanted them as part of a home theather, except that when he first went to asked for an option, the sales man told him that buying a home theater set will decrease the quality sound of it... here's where the nightmare began, now he doesn't know what to choose. .... about your questions, we have a big tv and we play music both cd and ipod dock, blu ray and ps3.

Thank you ;)
 
ImcLoud

ImcLoud

Audioholic Ninja
So rite now you have no audio receiver at all? and just connect your ps3, ipod, cable box ect. directly to your tv? What is your budget?


If so get yourself a decent AVR like DENON AVR-3313CI 7.2 Networking Receiver w/AirPlay 3D & 4K Ready | Accessories4less if its in your budget or DENON AVR-3312CI 7.2 Network A/V Surround Receiver w/AirPlay | Accessories4less
MARANTZ SR5005 100w X 7ch 3-D Home Theater Surround Receiver | Accessories4less
DENON AVR-1913 7.1ch Home Theater Receiver w/AirPlay 3D ready | Accessories4less
DENON AVR-1613 5.1ch Networking Receiver w/AirPlay 3D ready | Accessories4less

I would recomend spending as much as you can afford the marantz is a good buy at $400 and would be about as cheap as I would go since it has preouts, and will allow you to upgrade to a separate amp later on... like this guy :) http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/xpa-2-gen-2 just depends on your budget, them avrs arent going to be super happy pushing the T6's but they will work if you dont get crazy with the volume knob... if he likes it loud and strong, then look into an amp...
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Hi sharkman,

Yes, my crazy boyfriend bought the 2 speakers (PSB T6) just because he felt in love with them after listening them at a store. The actual problem was that he wanted them as part of a home theather, except that when he first went to asked for an option, the sales man told him that buying a home theater set will decrease the quality sound of it... here's where the nightmare began, now he doesn't know what to choose. .... about your questions, we have a big tv and we play music both cd and ipod dock, blu ray and ps3.

Thank you ;)
If by T6 you mean this one: PSB Image T6 loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com, I can see why he felt in love with them.

I would say as a simple one box solution, get a Denon AVR-4311 that is rated for 4 ohms and be done with it. Or as Imcloud suggested, get something like the Denon AVR-3312 but add a low cost 2 channel power amp for the two T6.
 
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sharkman

Full Audioholic
Denon is a great option, but of course it depends on your budget and how big the room is that the speakers are in.

On what the salesman said, there are 2 schools of thought. One is that 2 speakers are the best at recreating music. Of course the other is that 5 speaker that make up a home theatre are the best, but with 5 speakers you have a receiver with room correction software. The thing is, 5 speakers means you need to buy 3 more and a receiver which could all cost 1500 USD or more. You would want to buy a center channel speaker and 2 surround speakers that would also be PSB. And a receiver to run it all. Do you have the budget for that right now?

If you are watching a lot of movies, it's generally accepted that a theater is better for movies. So you need to decide which way you want to go. You could set up a 2 speaker system and then add speakers if not happy. I have both, a big 2 speaker system in the basement, and a 7 speaker system with projector on the main floor. For movies I prefer the extra speakers and it does a fine job for music too.

You said you prefer the NAD for sound. I have a NAD 326BEE. They are a fine option but you can't add more speakers later for movies. If I had to recommend, I would suggest a Denon receiver since you watch so many movies, like the Denon AVR-3312 or 3313, if it fits your budget. If you decide to go 2 channel only, the NAD would be excellent.
 
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avengineer

Banned
Your single biggest problem here is that the salesman told your boyfriend that buying a home theater set (an AV receiver?) would reduce the sound quality. Frankly, nothing could be farther from the truth, but since that's what he believes now, your options get a bit limited. As others have said, several of the Denon AVR products would be fine. They can and will drive the speakers without compromise. There is no need to add a separate 2 channel power amp, other than the firmly implanted belief system the salesman installed in your boyfriends mind. Unfortunately, there's no easy way around that, but fortunately there are a few excellent and inexpensive solutions from Emotiva. If you do that, a less expensive AVR would be fine.

You have a sort of system design mess on your hands though. Ideally, all three front speakers should be identical, or at least similar in sound. Buying a radically different center channel speaker now will create a discontinuity. The center channel, in movies, carries more than 70% of the total sound in a home theater, so it's the most important speaker, but often gets treated as a second-class add-on. The surround speakers you'll want for 5.1 channels are somewhat less critical, but again, ideally should be at least similar in quality to the front 3. Subwoofers are probably the least critical of all in terms of match, and the choice relates mostly to room size, position, and available power from the sub.

So, back to step 1, pick out a good receiver, one of the Denon's or Marantz units mentioned, consider a stere power amp to make him feel good, and work on what you'll want for center, surround, and sub as you move forward. Make the AVR the center of your system.

One more thing, the idea that 2 channel stereo music is somehow "pure" is completely wrong. Stereo is a compromise. The original experiments done at Bell Labs in multi-channel sound determined that more channels is always better, the ultimate would be a grid of thousands of speakers (essentially a speaker for every possible sound position) and the minimum channel count for a reasonable sound stage was 3, left, center and right. We got stuck with 2 because of the limitations of the distribution medium of the day, vinyl records. There was no good way to get more than two channels on them, so thats what we got. Stereo only works right when the listening position is exactly on a center line between the speakers. Any other position presents significantly out of balance stereo. Three channels extends the listening window well left and right beyond the center line. Two channel stereo is hobbled by nature, but that's what we have. Many AVRs have ways of re-channeling stereo to 5.1 surround, and some of them work pretty well. Just some background info that may become useful some day.
 
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Etoile13

Audiophyte
Thank you all for your awesome kick-*** rocking answers and taking your time in reading my post and clearing my doubts, (clear as water each and every one of them!) thanx! … After all this, I’ve already take my decision: to buy a Home Theater… knowing this, I’ve already have a couple of more questions… “Sharkman” you recommend the 3312 y 3313, what are the differences between this two and more important…if the quality will decrease if I get the 2312 or 2313? which are their differences, because I’ve been looking for these in the site and there are now the X3000 AND X4000 models…which one of these you recommend? And at last “Avengineer” by central channel do you mean I need to buy an extra “T6 image tower”?, or is the “C5 centre image”will work out just fine??
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
For the center either speaker will work, but it all depends on placement. I use 3 identical towers for my front 3 speakers (left, right, center). If you don't have the ability to do what I've don then the matching center is the way to go.

As far as what receiver to pick, it all depends on what you want the receiver to be able to do. If a cheaper receiver does everything you want, then go for it. I would advise that a receiver with pre-outs is the way to go simply because if you want to add external amplification in the future you can without much trouble. The receiver spec page will tell you if it has pre-outs or not.
 
ImcLoud

ImcLoud

Audioholic Ninja
this is a decent avr, has preouts, 7.1 networking, ect... DENON AVR-990 7.1ch Networking A/V Theater Surround Receiver | Accessories4less that's about as inexpensive as you are going to get with preouts... and its the last one, so if you like it I would jump on it, retail on the 990 was like $1600 or something silly...

Also Im not a huge yammy fan but this one has A LOT of optins for $450 shipped !!! dual hdmi outputs {nice if you want to run a second screen}, 2 subs outputs nice if you want to run dual subs, wireless adapter, built in zone 2 amp and preouts, pretty option full for that price...http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/YAMRXV773WABL/YAMAHA-RX-V773WA-7.2-Channel-Network-AV-Receiver-w/Wireless-Adapter/1.html
 
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sharkman

Full Audioholic
Thank you all for your awesome kick-*** rocking answers and taking your time in reading my post and clearing my doubts, (clear as water each and every one of them!) thanx! … After all this, I’ve already take my decision: to buy a Home Theater… knowing this, I’ve already have a couple of more questions… “Sharkman” you recommend the 3312 y 3313, what are the differences between this two and more important…if the quality will decrease if I get the 2312 or 2313? which are their differences, because I’ve been looking for these in the site and there are now the X3000 AND X4000 models…which one of these you recommend? And at last “Avengineer” by central channel do you mean I need to buy an extra “T6 image tower”?, or is the “C5 centre image”will work out just fine??
As to which Denon, it depends on your priorities. The 2312/2313 or 3312/3313 are older models and therefore cheaper. I'd say the quality will not decrease between the two, but the 23** models do not have pre-outs. I concur that they would be good to have down the road(pre-outs), you could add a separate 5 channel amp and go REALLY loud with the music, so if the price is right for you, the 3313 would be better. And your PSB speakers are 6 ohm so if you get more of the same, all speakers might be 6 ohm.
It is a tougher load for a small receiver. I don't think that the 2313 is a problem, but what if you prefer it really loud, and what if your room is larger, taking more power to fill the room with sound? If either of these are true it might be best to go with at least the 3313 if you can get one.

The X3000/X4000 are the latest models and would be considered superior to the 3313 having better features and such. But they cost more for that and it gets expensive fast! But they would be best if it fits your budget. Since this is new to you I'd suggest buying from a store that sets up the theater for you if they offer that. It can be pretty complicated for the first system, the room correction takes time to run, but if the boyfriend is up to it, he might enjoy doing it himself.

You're going to have a lot of fun with this gear, good luck!
 
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