Elegant Audio Video

[AcuDefTechGuy]

PITA, ain't it?

But at least you protected yourself by using PayPal/Credit Card, which everyone should do.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

The reason for that is not necessarily that he is trying to cheat you. More likely he is trying to cheat Ebay by not paying the selling fee. That's why he doesn't want to complete the sale with Paypal. The selling fee could be all or most of his commission from the authorized dealer. These are the things you run into on Ebay. It takes a thick skin to shop there. I sell on Ebay and don't accept Paypal but my customers can use their credit cards in the Ebay checkout. The case you ran into is most certainly fee avoidance.

As long as they accept credit card, I'm okay with that. My CC protects me well.

 

[Ponzio]

The reason for that is not necessarily that he is trying to cheat you. More likely he is trying to cheat Ebay by not paying the selling fee. That's why he doesn't want to complete the sale with Paypal. The selling fee could be all or most of his commission from the authorized dealer. These are the things you run into on Ebay. It takes a thick skin to shop there. I sell on Ebay and don't accept Paypal but my customers can use their credit cards in the Ebay checkout. The case you ran into is most certainly fee avoidance.

That very well may be but we communicated once thru my home e-mail address (his e-mail address was included in the PayPal transaction page) and he could have contacted me privately, without going thru the eBay censors. And another telling point is when I asked him twice thru the eBay mail service about a receipt, contents of the package & warranty he stated that I shouldn't worry since he would take care of me if I had any issues with the speakers and never answered my other 2 questions. So it came down to "TRUST ME" ... uh, I don't think so. Anytime a customer or a seller says to me, trust me, I usually respond "how can I trust you, when I can't trust myself". If this had been a used product I would have given him more leeway. I've resigned myself that I may have to pay MSRP from an authorized dealer since the LS-50's are relatively a new product and I want to be able to go back to KEF in the next 5 years for replacement/repairs without getting a run-around. I find as I get older that my patience with deceit, half-truths & lies is almost non-existent. Like I tell my kids & everyone else "Tell the truth and shame the devil". I might not be happy with what you tell me but I will respect you a hell of lot more if you tell me the truth.

 

[slipperybidness]

The reason for that is not necessarily that he is trying to cheat you. More likely he is trying to cheat Ebay by not paying the selling fee. That's why he doesn't want to complete the sale with Paypal. The selling fee could be all or most of his commission from the authorized dealer. These are the things you run into on Ebay. It takes a thick skin to shop there. I sell on Ebay and don't accept Paypal but my customers can use their credit cards in the Ebay checkout. The case you ran into is most certainly fee avoidance.

You MIGHT be right, but that is still not the honest way to handle these items. If you sell on ebay, then you pay the fees. Yes, fees suck but that is the cost of doing business.

And it appears that this is coming at the expense of a paying customer.

My advice is to proceed with the paypal/CC protection, and run from this shady vendor.

 

[fmw]

That very well may be but we communicated once thru my home e-mail address (his e-mail address was included in the PayPal transaction page) and he could have contacted me privately, without going thru the eBay censors. And another telling point is when I asked him twice thru the eBay mail service about a receipt, contents of the package & warranty he stated that I shouldn't worry since he would take care of me if I had any issues with the speakers and never answered my other 2 questions. So it came down to "TRUST ME" ... uh, I don't think so. Anytime a customer or a seller says to me, trust me, I usually respond "how can I trust you, when I can't trust myself". If this had been a used product I would have given him more leeway. I've resigned myself that I may have to pay MSRP from an authorized dealer since the LS-50's are relatively a new product and I want to be able to go back to KEF in the next 5 years for replacement/repairs without getting a run-around. I find as I get older that my patience with deceit, half-truths & lies is almost non-existent. Like I tell my kids & everyone else "Tell the truth and shame the devil". I might not be happy with what you tell me but I will respect you a hell of lot more if you tell me the truth.

I agree completely. Like I said, it takes a thick skin to shop on Ebay.

 

[fmw]

You MIGHT be right, but that is still not the honest way to handle these items. If you sell on ebay, then you pay the fees. Yes, fees suck but that is the cost of doing business.

And it appears that this is coming at the expense of a paying customer.

My advice is to proceed with the paypal/CC protection, and run from this shady vendor.

No question about that either.