Need advice on 5.1 speakers

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Smoked Brisket

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Hello everyone. I am a definite novice when it comes to buying speakers. 12 years ago I built my first computer and bought klipsch promedia ultra 5.1 system to go with it. This system has been nothing short of awesome for over a decade. Unfortunatley the powered sub is finally beginning to fail. As I see it I have four options.

Option 1: Buy a used replacement sub on e-bay for an inflated price.

Option 2: Buy home theatre in a box.

Option 3: Piece together a a new 5.1 by searching for sale items and bargains on the net.

Option 4: Find a replacement sub that will work with my promedia satelites. Keep in mind that I do not have a reciever and it would have to hook up directly to my sound card.

My budget is 500 bucks. I really want to go with 5.1 because that is what Im used to for gaming. Any help/links/new options you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
 
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shadyJ

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Look for used bookshelf speakers, provided you have enough desktop space for them. Good bookshelf speakers are going to sound a lot better than little satellite speakers. Buy a used AVR with some SP/DIF inputs, and hook that up to the computer's digital audio output, if it has one. If you are diligent and patient, you can get a great deal on something that will smoke your little Klipsch system.

If it were me, I would get a couple of powered studio monitors, they would sound soooo much better than your Klipsch system. You can get the vaunted JBL LSR2328 monitors at the moment for $500. Add this cheap pro-audio interface for clean sound output, and your eyes will be opened, and you will want to punch yourself for living with such thin sound from the Klipsch system for so long. Yeah, it's not a 5.1 system, but the leap in quality vs quantity ratio is so big, I think you would agree its much better after comparing them. You can eventually expand out to 5.1 as well, and end up with a really killer PC sound system which will make all your friends envious. Be aware though that those monitors are pretty large.
 
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Smoked Brisket

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That sounds like good advice shadyj and I am considering what you have recommended. Of course with shipping the jbls and interface push the budget to the 560 range. Are their any studio monitors that are comparable for just a bit less?
Are those jbls really loud? The klipsch promedias are a 500 watt system. Forgive my ignorance here.
Am I going to have to do alot of adjusting or are these going to sound great out of the box to me?

Thx for the help.
 
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shadyJ

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Shipping should be free for everything in the continental USA at least if you order from Sweetwater, so it shouldn't cost more than $530 if you live there.
Are the JBLs really loud? In a near-field desktop placement, that is a big yes. They will be many times louder than your Klipsch speakers. They could also be reasonably used as mid-field home theater speakers, and they will sound far, far better than any HTiB speakers.
They will also sound great right out of the box, although there are things you can do to make them sound better, like experimenting with placement and toe-in, and using equalizers. Keep in mind that these speaker alone won't have quite as deep as bass as your klipsch subwoofer, but it will be much more accurate and tighter bass. You can always add a sub later that will be enormously better than your Klipsch sub. It isn't hard to top the sub from a computer speaker system.
One of the nice things about self-powered monitors is you can get a really good speaker while skipping the receiver system. This way a lot more money goes directly into the speaker build, which will contribute far more to the sound quality than if you bought an AVR + passive speakers thereby paying for a bunch of features you will never use.
 
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shadyJ

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By the way, I think I talked another guy into going the monitor route recently, you might read through this thread and wait to see how he likes his monitors if you are hesitant about going that way.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

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Hello everyone. I am a definite novice when it comes to buying speakers. 12 years ago I built my first computer and bought klipsch promedia ultra 5.1 system to go with it. This system has been nothing short of awesome for over a decade. Unfortunatley the powered sub is finally beginning to fail. As I see it I have four options.

Option 1: Buy a used replacement sub on e-bay for an inflated price.

Option 2: Buy home theatre in a box.

Option 3: Piece together a a new 5.1 by searching for sale items and bargains on the net.

Option 4: Find a replacement sub that will work with my promedia satelites. Keep in mind that I do not have a reciever and it would have to hook up directly to my sound card.

My budget is 500 bucks. I really want to go with 5.1 because that is what Im used to for gaming. Any help/links/new options you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
For the get-go option 4 is not an option at all. We cab eliminate it right away since the system uses sub for amplifying the smaller speakers

Option 2: I don't like most HTIBs and most will be worse than your existing system
I found option 5:
Get used AVR and Get inexpensive sub like Dayton 1200. Used pre-hdmi avr could be in 50 to 100 range tops even from top brands
Sub is $120 plus shipping
Dayton Audio SUB-1200 12" 120 Watt Powered Subwoofer 300-629

Total investment = about $200

I would not recommend this DIY for most PC gaming sound systems but with Klipsch is might be just worth reusing the speakers.


Also see this thread:
klipsch promedia ultra DIY upgrade/repair
 
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Smoked Brisket

Audiophyte
Shady and Bored I want to thank you for your knowledge and bang for your buck solutions. Shady I followed your advice and got two studio monitors. I wanted to get the jbls like you recommended and was poised to buy a refurbished pair on eBay. I went to guitar center San Antonio today just to listen to them. Well, I walked out with a pair of kvk rokit 8's. reason being is that I was able to talk the guy down to 360 for the display pair. They are currently hooked into my sound card directly and I have to admit I am blown away. My pro medians were awesome, but these are epic. I am rattling the windows in my house without pushing them. The clarity is awesome.

So final question: why do I need to get the bah ringer adapter? I want my sound to be perfect so if you think I need it then I will get it.
 
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shadyJ

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KRK Rokit 8s! very nice! You may not need the sound interface, depending on how the monitors are connected. The problem is most on-board sound jacks are very noisy, all kinds of electronic noise leaks into the analogue circuitry. How are they hooked up to the computer may I ask? What sound card are you using?

I would still go with a pro-audio interface like the Behringers in any case, it will not have any of that electronic interference. Better yet, you could also go with something like this Lexicon, its balanced TRS outputs will lower the noise floor even more than the RCA outputs on the Behringer. The Lexicon also has a pair of additional output so you can hook up your subwoofer easily without having to resort to a Y-splitter. It has a master volume knob and a mix volume knob so that if you do add a sub, you can set it up you might be able to control the sub's volume independently of the overall volume. This is good for late night listening when you don't want to bother people in nearby rooms, because it's the bass that travels through walls and will be heard by them.
 
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shadyJ

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I should have added that if you want to expand out to surround sound, neither the Behringer nor the Lexicon are the cards to get. An inexpensive one that should have low noise outputs and also support surround sound is this Asus Xonar DX. It is more expensive than the pro-audio ones, but it ought to work just fine. To expand out to surround sound, what you will want is another Rokit 8 for a center channel (a Rokit 6 might suffice also). For the surround channels, you don't need as beefy speakers, I might just go with some Rokit 5s or even something cheaper like these Alesis will do just fine.

It won't be really cheap to get a subwoofer that can do justice to those KRK speakers though. I would be looking at $600+ ported 12" subs from Hsu, Rythmik, or Outlaw. The KRK's ought to have pretty good bass, and if I were you I would cross the sub over pretty low, maybe try 50 or 60 hz. This will have the KRKs tackling the upper bass and the sub doing the deep bass, so the sub won't be drawing attention to itself and the bass sound will be a lot more natural. The problem is the Rokit 8s d not have a high pass filter, so hopefully the sound card can take care of that. If not, it might be worth looking into a separate high pass filter to keep the speakers and sub from over-lapping, depending on if that bothers you or not.
 
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Smoked Brisket

Audiophyte
Shady my man I Amgen not the type to boast about what I have. I am a 12 year builder and it may not be appropriate on this site but I feel like you need to know what I have to know what your working with.

My rig:

Asus rampage extreme 4

64 gigs mushkin high perf

480 gig mushkin ssd

Gtx Titan x2

It's all water cooled in a mountain mods case. The sound card is on board, Realtek ac97. I haven't wasted money on a separate sound card in 6 years because it is a waste. The monitors are connected via a tkr to 3.5 connection( I think I said that right). All I had to do was set my sound card settings to stereo and plug them in the back. I still have custom front ports for mic and headphones. I want to add a sub in the future, for that I am gonna need some advice.

**** I am so excited about these speakers that I want to really build on this and make an ultimate 5.1 system. Please feel free to use this thread to offer ultimate pc builds off of what I have started due to your help. I am here to tell you that the info is not out there. Holy crap, I have read threads that say steer clear of studio monitors if you just want to listen to music. I just got through with a Grid 2 session and it was brilliant.

Ok I will shut up. I'm just fired up about my cheap *** purchase today.
 
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shadyJ

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Wow 64 gigs of ram, lol, talk about overkill. I can't even imagine the game that would use over 8 gigs. Well, it doesn't hurt to have it, and you might as well since ram is sooooo cheap, even high performance ram is ridiculously cheap these days. Awesome motherboard too, good lord that thing is a beast, same with the video cards. I build all my computers too, so I can appreciate your rig.

Anyway, I do agree that separate sound cards are normally a waste as long as you are using the digital jacks. Most onboard analogue jacks are awful though, however the implementation on that board might not be that bad, at least I would hope not, given the price. The way to tell is turn the volume way up, but not playing back anything, just silence. Move your mouse around, open apps, and run programs that don't make any noise. If you hear fuzzy noises when it should be dead silent, that is because electronic noise is leaking into the analogue jacks. If you hear this, I would go ahead and buy a separate audio card like that Asus Xonar, because both your monster computer and great speakers definitely merit clean audio output. Given your rig and desires, I would go for surround sound card, not a pro-audio one. You need to make sure you get a card with clean analogue jacks though, which are mostly only the higher end HT Omegas, Asus, and Creative cards. If a card touts high signal-to-noise ratio on the audio outputs, it probably is good enough.

If you want to expand out, like I said, go for another Rokit 8 for the center speaker. Ideally you want to keep your front stage speakers identical, however the surrounds don't matter as much, so don't go blowing a lot of money on surround speakers. I would go for a ported subwoofer for some seriously deep bass. If you want loud bass without spending a fortune, newegg.com often has the Klipsch RW-12d on sale for less than $300. Right now through next Monday you can get it for $270 shipped by entering the promotional code EMCXPWW76 at the checkout, that is very big bang for the buck. It's not the tightest bass or the deepest bass, but it will give you a lot of oomph for your games. If you want sharper, high quality bass that extends deeper than humans can even hear, one of my favorites is the Hsu VTF3, which is $50 off at the moment, which makes it $750 shipped. If $750 is a bit much for you, another great sub is the Rythmik FV12r, it doesn't go quite as deep or get as loud as the VTF3, but it does offer lots of high quality bass for $589 shipped. Anyway, as far as subwoofers go, the sky is the limit if the money is there.

One more thing, Monitors are great for everything, music, games, movies, whatever. Anyone who says they aren't good for music either doesn't know what they are talking about or prefers their speakers to mess up the sound. Pit any home audio speaker against an equivalently priced studio monitor, and nine times out of ten (if not more) the monitor will offer measurably higher fidelity sound.
 
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