Looking at an amp once again

Soccerkid830

Soccerkid830

Full Audioholic
So I have been debating getting an amp for my front two only. Maybe willing to expand elsewhere at some point but not yet.

I saw on Parts Express they're having a sale on the Crown XLS amps as well as the QSC GX amps.

The QSC GX3 puts out 300/425 watts at 8/4 ohms, respectively. Currently selling for $299.

The XLS 1000 puts out 215/350/550 watts at 8/4/2 ohms. This is at $299 as well.

The XLS 1500 puts out 300/525/775 watts at 8/4/2 ohms. This one bumps the price up to $399.



They are all +0,-1 dB from 20-20kHz. They also all accept RCA inputs and have binding posts as possible outputs.

The QSC is apparently a class B amp according to the spec sheet while the crowns are both class D. The upper level QSC amps are class H.


Anybody have suggestions? What would ya'll pick up?
 
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templemaners

Senior Audioholic
So I have been debating getting an amp for my front two only. Maybe willing to expand elsewhere at some point but not yet.

I saw on Parts Express they're having a sale on the Crown XLS amps as well as the QSC GX amps.

The QSC GX3 puts out 300/425 watts at 8/4 ohms, respectively. Currently selling for $299.

The XLS 1000 puts out 215/350/550 watts at 8/4/2 ohms. This is at $299 as well.

The XLS 1500 puts out 300/525/775 watts at 8/4/2 ohms. This one bumps the price up to $399.



They are all +0,-1 dB from 20-20kHz. They also all accept RCA inputs and have binding posts as possible outputs.

The QSC is apparently a class B amp according to the spec sheet while the crowns are both class D. The upper level QSC amps are class H.


Anybody have suggestions? What would ya'll pick up?
The XLS1500 has a higher SNR ratio vs the XLS1000 (103 dB vs. 97 dB). And we also know from forum members that the Crown's are pretty darn quiet. Fan loudness is unknown with the QSC and an issue I'd follow up/research more before buying, assuming you don't have a nice closet to stuff the amp into. :D

http://www.crownaudio.com/media/storagebk/pdf/amps/XLS_Datasheet_CRO137.pdf

Also, the QSC is much heavier than the XLS's (27lbs vs. 8.6 lbs). Not sure that's a factor if you aren't lugging it around.

QSC - GX Series Specifications

As to what I would choose, I'd get the XLS1500, provided the extra $100 wasn't a stretch. If it was, I'd get the XLS1000 instead. Another choice that is not on your list (and a bit more expensive :( ) that I might take a look at is a Yamaha P2500S.

BTW, the "sale" that PE is having on them isn't that great... I think you could find any of these amps for cheaper on Amazon - the XLS1500 was when I just looked - or a musical equipment specific retailer (maybe you can find one of those 10-15% off deals/online coupons).
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

Audioholic Warlord
While I have no personal experience, I'd go with the crown. I know it's in my top three for my next amp.
 
Soccerkid830

Soccerkid830

Full Audioholic
Thanks for the replies.
In regards to the weight, that wouldn't be an issue.

Besides the extra wattage and SNR, what would the 1500 improve upon over the 1000? Is there anything else?

Does the class H vs D have any effect positively or negatively? I was leaning towards the Crown initially anyway, but just curious about the class D vs H and for that matter the class B I guess. Big differences are in efficiencies, correct?
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

Audioholic Warlord
The very simplistic way someone explained it to me (since I'm no EE) was that Class A amps are hugely inefficient, but offer the best SQ. Class B amps were to address the inefficiency of class A amps, but lacked the SQ. Class A/B amps tried to use the best of both worlds by giving the SQ of Class A and the efficiency of Class B. Usually there is a biasing towards Class A at lower wattages to improve overall SQ.

Class D amps use a switching power supply and suffered in SQ when they first came out because the switching wasn't happening fast enough to keep up with quick transients. However many class D amps are excellent now that the technology has improved, plus they're crazy efficient.

I'm sure a real EE or someone who knows better will give more detail/correct inaccuracies with my poor regurgitation.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Damn, I hate being this vague, but there is a discussion on "one of the other forums" about using pro amps. One of the guys who posted had contacted Crown about using pro amps in there system. The guys at Crown said that is what they all do for their own systems. They also said not to get the 1000. I think they recommended the XLS2000.

Ha! I found it. You may want to read the whole thread, but post #38 (pasted below) is where they recommended he avoid the XLS1000
Crown Audio XLS Drivecore Series Amplifier - The OFFICIAL Thread

So I spoke with a representative from Crown this afternoon about a) our little experiment and b) the issues that have arisen from it. The rep told me that using pro amps in a consumer fashion isn't new, at least not to the Crown employees, for many of them employ pro amps in their personal home theaters. As to the noise floor, treble harshness etc that seemed to be the result of the amp I chose to experiment with, the Crown XLS 1000.

The XLS 1000 is the most stripped down amp Crown makes/offers and because of such doesn't benefit from such niceties as a lowered noise floor, cleaner power delivery etc. Jumping up in price $100 gets you the XLS 2000, which has a lower noise floor (3dB lower) as well as better control up top, not to mention 100 plus more Watts in stereo. The rep was convinced that had I used the 2000 amp in my tests my findings would be different and to prove it he's sending me three to do just that. Also, he instructed me to keep the gain controls off and fix the input difference between consumer and pro gear via a limiter (though you don't have to) from the likes of dbx (also a Harman company) who I just so happen to be speaking to tomorrow morning.

So what are the 1000s good for? Well, they're still going to be more than capable subwoofer amplifiers or as amplifiers for the bass section of any bi or tri-amp loudspeaker system, however for high frequency fidelity Crown recommends the 2000 or 2500 models.
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
Having lots of personal experience with both I can say that the Crown's would be the ones I'd go with. The reason is the weight, and heat output. The QSC amps are a fantastic amp, but they are heavy and get hot which makes the fans spin up and create noise. The crown's don't have that problem.

As for the difference in classes there are quite a few.

Too many to list here honestly. The most interesting one to me is Class H, but this will clear up any questions you may have.
 

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