av123 gr research rosewood LS-6 bay area pick up only $2000

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gotchaforce

Junior Audioholic
Up for grabs is my pair of av123 LS-6 speakers. Ive had these for 3 and a half years and they are the best speakers ive ever heard. I believe that even spending $10,000 wont get you speakers better than these.


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History: these were designed by audio guru danny richie at Speaker kits, loudspeaker design services, sub-woofers and amplifiers.. av-123 used to sell these, but now the only place you can buy the speakers is for $5000 before shipping from east street audio
East Street Audio. LS6/LS9

As they say: no replacement for displacement. These speakers arent built to simply play loud, theyre built to have enormous headroom and play extremely clean no matter what volume you play them at. I guarantee most people have no idea what distortion free speakers sound like, any conventional B&W or dynaudio or paradigm speaker will run into compression issues because asking a smaller speaker to play reference levels introduces a lot of distortion. Even if you throw 1000 watts at a smaller speaker it cant do anything with most of those watts.


For those interested in the technical science numbers stuff, heres a comparison between the B&W 800D and my LS-6

Lets first compare sensitivities: 800D 90db 1w/1m, this means with one watt at 4 meters away youre only going to get 78db. Even if you have 512 watt amps you will PEAK at 105db when sitting 4 meters away. You need about 10db of room for peaks, so that means the music is playing at about 95db. Really not that loud if youve ever wanted to crank it up for some friends. If you throw more wattage all you'll get is power compression

The LS-6 has 91db 1w/1m sensitivity, but at 4 meters away they play 85db. Pump the same 512 watts into LS-6s and youre at an ear shattering 112db. 112db peaks are probably unnecessary, but taking 800D to 105db means theyll be straining a lot, take the LS-6 to 105db and they wont be straining at all. This is the virtue of headroom.

The LS-6 also will extend to 20hz in most rooms, the 800D has similar bass performance but again, they will run into power compression problems and not hit 20hz at nearly the same sound pressure level as the LS-6

Last but not least is probably one of the most overlooked features of line arrays, and thats their capability to create cylindrical shaped sound waves. This removes interaction with the floor and the ceiling, one of the trickiest areas to treat in most rooms and remove unwanted diffraction and reflection. 800D are typical floor standers and send out "cones" of sound from the drivers that result in lots of reflections of your floor/ceiling which is probably the biggest enemy of accurate music reproduction.

A laymens review of the sound quality of these speakers can be read at positive feedback and stereo mojo

Condition of the cabinets:
-2 small flakes of veneer pin sized flakes exist on these 6 foot tall speakers
-The real rosewood veneer is developing “wrinkles” due to its thickness (example here)
-there are small 1” cracks in the veneer on one speaker that are very hard to photograph (example here)
-same speaker at 4pm under normal lighting.. cant see the flaws: example here

Price:
due to the cabinets being b-stock i think its more than fair to ask $2,000 for these speakers.
 
tattoo_Dan

tattoo_Dan

Banned
they must sound great,after reading your post,
they are the best speakers ive ever heard. I believe that even spending $10,000 wont get you speakers better than these.
why would you sell them ? :confused:
 
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gotchaforce

Junior Audioholic
Hmm, i guess i didnt really cover that. My room is too small and i need smaller speakers. I wish i didnt have to give these up, but im not sure how long im going to stay in this house and that also throws a wrench in things. I dont want to have to lug these around. Theyre for the person who has a much more permanent home theater and wants the best home theater speakers out there for $2000.
 
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thuway

Audiophyte
That is one incredible set gotchaforce. Where are you located?
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

Audioholic Warlord
According to this website

Peak SPL Calculator

Your peak numbers appear to be off. At 4 meters away the 800D will peak at 108 db and the LS6 will peak at 109 db with 512 watts.

Am I missing something?
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Never had a chance to hear these and would love to. I am actually looking to build some more GRs, but these ones are a bit out of what I would realistically like to allocate for speakers unfortunately.
 
its phillip

its phillip

Audioholic Ninja
According to this website

Peak SPL Calculator

Your peak numbers appear to be off. At 4 meters away the 800D will peak at 108 db and the LS6 will peak at 109 db with 512 watts.

Am I missing something?
Line arrays drop 3dB for doubling of distance vs the 6dB of a normal speaker, and I also think his calculations were for a single speaker vs a pair.
 
Jed M

Jed M

Full Audioholic
I will second the op's comments. I own a pair and they are great speakers, especially for 2k. I paid 3k for mine and thought I got an absolute steal, still do. I used to upgrade all the time but haven't done so in 3 to 4 years because I honestly don't think I could do better without spending significantly more. That said, they need a very large room or they are going to sound compressed. Treatments go a long long way with these speakers too. I used to use them in my HT, and as much as I liked them, I knew my small room was adding extra energy that was annoying, but tolerable. Finally I moved them into a 2 channel system in a room with huge cathedral ceilings and lots of room to play, and... wow, they are amazing. Hard to fit into a room, but if you got space, its almost like an experience listening to them. Alive and powerful yet delicate and breathtakingly transparent. I would have rather used them in my HT since I spend more time there, but I knew I would find another place for them before I let them go, so I did. So if you can find a spot for these, I don't see how you could go wrong.

Just my 2 cents. Good luck with the sale Gotchaforce.
 
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