Mits DLP - new light engine and lamp

GlocksRock

GlocksRock

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Which model are you getting? That's what I'm gonna get when mine finally bites the dust.
 
itschris

itschris

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The 70" at SAMs and Costco was selling for $1,899. That's the one I was going to get but it went up a couple hundred dollars around Christmas and my wife put the big whammy on it - "you already have a big TV!"

Whatever! Anyway, I haven't been to SAMs for awhile, but last time the 120Hz version was still just over 2K. I'm not sure why it went up, but it's a very nice TV. My neighbor got one and it's really nice. Very bright and sharp.

I've been having fun arguing with Mits over this dot issue for three months or so so I've been preoccupied. I actually enjoy that sort of thing when pinciple comes into play. Plus when our house flooded, we out of commission for several weeks.

Anyway, I do think once I get my new bulb, I'll just either put in the office or spare room and get that Sharp. It'll take some doing to put it on the wall, since I have all the connection plates behind the current BDI cabinet it sits on. I guess I could keep the cabinet and take the center channel out of it and put it on top. It'd probaby sound a ton better that way anyway.

I'm just waiting for the price to see if it'll come down under $2k again. That's the level where my wife really starts complaining... unless of course we're in the jewelry store getting her something.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

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Not sure yet maybe the LC-70LE847U???? Which one you looking at?
I'm just looking at the entry level LC-70LE640U. I don't care about 3D, so I see no reason to pay more for that. I'm guessing the prices will start to drop again around the holiday season, cause the cheapest I saw last years entry level model sell for was $2000 on amazon. The cheapest I've found the current model for online is $2200, which is about what Sams is currently selling theirs for, but if I buy locally I have to pay tax as well. But unless my current Mits. DLP breaks, I'll just keep it for now while I continue to save up, who knows, maybe next year will bring some better technology or lower prices. I wasn't too happy when 2 years after I bought my dlp, the prices dropped significantly.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

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As a giant dog owner all my life... I know what you're saying. All these people... these cat people... who think cats are so smart must be "challenged" themselves.

Our cat, Fudgie, who we got for our daughter 7 years ago is about the dumbest animal on the planet.. My dumbest Great Dane was 100 times smarter and more clever.
My daughter leaves for school in August so maybe i'll watch more movies with one less person to give me grief about the volume and turning lights on, or coming out of her room to interupt me with some pointless question.
I'm wondering if this is some sort of pattern. :p

Good luck on the TV.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

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I'm just looking at the entry level LC-70LE640U. I don't care about 3D, so I see no reason to pay more for that. I'm guessing the prices will start to drop again around the holiday season, cause the cheapest I saw last years entry level model sell for was $2000 on amazon. The cheapest I've found the current model for online is $2200, which is about what Sams is currently selling theirs for, but if I buy locally I have to pay tax as well. But unless my current Mits. DLP breaks, I'll just keep it for now while I continue to save up, who knows, maybe next year will bring some better technology or lower prices. I wasn't too happy when 2 years after I bought my dlp, the prices dropped significantly.
I don't think I care about 3D either but should I care about 120 vs 240 refresh rate? I don't remember much about displays.:D
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

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I don't think you need the higher refresh rate unless you watch 3D, the higher refresh rates probably give you more of the soap opera effect, but I think you can turn it off... maybe not, I'm not sure. I'm sure the folks over at avsforums could tell you all about it, there are numerous threads about the 70" Sharp LCD sets.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

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I'm just looking at the entry level LC-70LE640U. I don't care about 3D, so I see no reason to pay more for that. I'm guessing the prices will start to drop again around the holiday season, cause the cheapest I saw last years entry level model sell for was $2000 on amazon. The cheapest I've found the current model for online is $2200, which is about what Sams is currently selling theirs for, but if I buy locally I have to pay tax as well. But unless my current Mits. DLP breaks, I'll just keep it for now while I continue to save up, who knows, maybe next year will bring some better technology or lower prices. I wasn't too happy when 2 years after I bought my dlp, the prices dropped significantly.
Best Buy is showing the LC70LE732U for $2300. It would be much easier if they just had these models in the store so I could do a impulse buy...
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

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I almost pulled the trigger on the LC-70LE845U last night at Best Buy. Spent some time with the Magnolia rep and found out that his manager is being let go by BB next month and he has a great relationship with his manager. He said he would call me today when his manager gets in and that in all likely-hood, I would get an unbelievable deal just so the manager can stick it to corporate on his way out the door.

After reading more reviews on the Sharp and sleeping on it, I am a little scared of it. I think I am going to drop it from my list and pursue a deal on the 65" Panny GT50. I will be losing some real-estate but I think that's the best compromise in this case.

Thoughts?
 
itschris

itschris

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I almost pulled the trigger on the LC-70LE845U last night at Best Buy. Spent some time with the Magnolia rep and found out that his manager is being let go by BB next month and he has a great relationship with his manager. He said he would call me today when his manager gets in and that in all likely-hood, I would get an unbelievable deal just so the manager can stick it to corporate on his way out the door.

After reading more reviews on the Sharp and sleeping on it, I am a little scared of it. I think I am going to drop it from my list and pursue a deal on the 65" Panny GT50. I will be losing some real-estate but I think that's the best compromise in this case.

Thoughts?
What issues are hearing about with the 70"?
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

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I'd like to know this as well... I'll still likely get the Sharp when the time comes, unless something better comes along in my budget between now and then.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

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Hearing a lot of talk about clouding and blooming. They are saying that it's secondary to edge-lighting on a screen so large. A few guys from AVS have returned 3-4 before they find one that is acceptable.

I want a 70" but the manger whom is leaving BB is willing to let me walk out the door with the Panny 60 GT50 for $2500. It list for $3200 and is on sale for $2900 right now. I think this is a really good price(?)

Here is one link:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/1050
 
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ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

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I went with the 65" Panny GT50. It will be delivered tomorrow.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

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Very nice, can't wait to hear your impressions of it. I'm sure it will be fantastic!
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

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Very nice, can't wait to hear your impressions of it. I'm sure it will be fantastic!
Man, it was a struggle deciding between the Sharp and the Panny. I really wanted the Sharp but just too many things about it scare me.

"Firstreflection" wrote a nice little comparison here:

ParadigmDawg,

what is your room lighting situation?

Truthfully, other than screen size, it all boils down to whether you have a dim/dark room or a normally lit to bright or sunlit room.

If you're ok with the smaller 65" screen size, the Panasonic plasmas are the best consumer displays on the market at the moment. They have the deepest black levels, pretty darn accurate color, perfect screen uniformity and perfect off-axis viewing. With the new louvre screen filter, they even perform pretty well under normal room lighting - but only in cases where the light source is overhead. So just keep that part in mind.

If you have a bright or sunlit room though, or you have normal room lighting, but it's coming from sources that are not strictly overhead, then a good, matte screen LCD is the better way to go, and Sharp is about the only option right now for very large LCD screen sizes with a matte (or at least semi-matte) screen surface!

If you are in a dim or dark room, there is no competition. The Sharp LCDs have lighter black levels, the odd bit of uneven or "blotchy" backlighting, and no matter what the lighting conditions are, the off-axis viewing is a lot poorer looking than a Panny plasma. But under bright or sunlit conditions, the matte-screen Sharp LCDs still retain their black levels better, reject the ambient light better, and you can really crank the light output on the Sharp LCDs if you want to, so they can overcome bright lighting far easier than the Panny plasmas.

Personally, I'm still a bigger fan of last year's LC-70LE735U (3D) and 734U (2D only) models vs. the 745U and 845U models of this year. That's all because the 734 & 735 models used full-array LED backlighting, rather than the edge-LED backlighting found in the 2012 models. The screen illumination was more even and the black levels were deeper on the full-array 2011 models. That said, the 73xU models did suffer from some banding and posterization (false contouring), which the 2012 models seem to have resolved. So it's all a matter of which picture artifacts you find most objectionable

I have a 60" Pioneer Kuro plasma and the 2011 70" Sharp LC-70LE735U. I use the Kuro only in dark conditions and pretty much only for Blu-ray movies. With those restrictions, it beats the pants off the LC-70LE735U. But I use the 735U for "lights on" TV viewing and for playing videogames as well as for any 3D content. Under those conditions, the LC-70LE735U actually looks better than the Kuro! With the lights on, the Kuro's super deep, beautiful, inky blacks turn grey and the picture looks washed out and dull. And the Kuro has a pretty good ambient light filter - about equal to the ST50 or GT50 Panny's of this year. So it's still pretty easy to make the plasmas look washed out, grey and dull with just normal room lighting. For 3D, being able to really crank out the brightness is a big plus since the 3D glasses cut about 60% of the light!

So the point is, both the Panny plasmas and the Sharp 70" LCDs have their strengths and weaknesses. It's really all just a matter of matching the right type of display to your lighting environment. I'll take the plasma in a dark theater every time. But under well-lit or especially sunlit conditions, I much prefer the black level retention and semi-matte screen of the Sharp 70" LED-LCD.

The good news is that these really are your two best options in displays right now. Samsung's up there too, but their plasmas definitely can't handle any amount of ambient light, and all of their LCDs have super glossy screens that render them unwatchable - at least to me I can't stand seeing my own reflection clrealy looking back at me from any dark portion of the image on screen

So stick to either a Panny plasma or a Sharp 70". And just decide based on whether you typically watch with your room dim or dark - in which case, go Panny plasma - or if you watch in a well lit or sunlit room - in which case, go Sharp 70".

Easy
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

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I read that too, and I love my samsung plasma in my bedroom, which is mostly dark all the time due to the sun usually being on the other side of the house, but in my living room I would want something that didn't have a glossy screen as it gets more glare and ambient light. As long as my mits holds out for a while longer, I'm going to just hold off and see what comes out next year. Hopefully Sharp will go back to full array for the lower end models as I can't afford their fancy elite model, but I'd also like to see them or someone else put out a 75" model.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

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I read that too, and I love my samsung plasma in my bedroom, which is mostly dark all the time due to the sun usually being on the other side of the house, but in my living room I would want something that didn't have a glossy screen as it gets more glare and ambient light. As long as my mits holds out for a while longer, I'm going to just hold off and see what comes out next year. Hopefully Sharp will go back to full array for the lower end models as I can't afford their fancy elite model, but I'd also like to see them or someone else put out a 75" model.
Yep, if the Sharp had of stayed with the full array platform, I would have likely went with it.

I played around with my Panny plasma in the bedroom and turned on all the light I could, with all windows opened and the thing still looked good. That's without the fancy louvered filter that Panny has now so I'm excited to see what it does.
 
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