High Efficient/Sensitive speakers

[AcuDefTechGuy]

The Shoe 10 uses a paper woofer as well, and a titanium tweeter. I don't know much about any of these TBQH, although I will point out that the SHoe 10 was design by danny richie of GR Research.

I do know the elemental designs can be upgraded to the excellent De250 mylar tweeter.

I've heard some AVS forum members compare the SHO-10 very "favorably" to the GedLee Abbey. I think a member who owns both SHO-10 and Abbey said that they are equal in clarity/details, but the SHO-10 is about 95% of the Abbey in terms of Soundstage and image.

If the SHO-10 is even 90% of the performance of the $6K Abbey, I think it would be worth buying.

 

[GranteedEV]

I've heard some AVS forum members compare the SHO-10 very "favorably" to the GedLee Abbey. I think a member who owns both SHO-10 and Abbey said that they are equal in clarity/details, but the SHO-10 is about 95% of the Abbey in terms of Soundstage and image.

If the SHO-10 is even 90% of the performance of the $6K Abbey, I think it would be worth buying.

Maybe, but then everyone has different listening perception. Some people are less sensitive to some distortion/resonance than other people. What sounds smooth and detailed to one person, might sound harsh and bright to another.

Not everyone has Revel Salons that they can A/B against either

Not to dissuade you away from the Sho-10s - it's just a disclaimer

 

[gotchaforce]

The Shoe 10 uses a paper woofer as well, and a titanium tweeter. I don't know much about any of these TBQH, although I will point out that the SHoe 10 was design by danny richie of GR Research.

I do know the elemental designs can be upgraded to the excellent De250 mylar tweeter.

Source on danny richie designing the CHT speaker?? last i heard it was just a stock eminence crossover...

 

[gotchaforce]

I've heard some AVS forum members compare the SHO-10 very "favorably" to the GedLee Abbey. I think a member who owns both SHO-10 and Abbey said that they are equal in clarity/details, but the SHO-10 is about 95% of the Abbey in terms of Soundstage and image.

If the SHO-10 is even 90% of the performance of the $6K Abbey, I think it would be worth buying.

That would be kind of nuts because some people on AVS also say that the DT220i "unusable" for music due to its titanium diaphragm. The DE250 in the abbey is a polyimide, and is considered far better for music. So its interesting that these avs forum members consider it close at all, when other people who have lots of experience making their own waveguide speakers dont tend to ever recommend the dt220i for music setups.

 

[GranteedEV]

Source on danny richie designing the CHT speaker?? last i heard it was just a stock eminence crossover..

Danny Richie does all the designs for CHT. You don't get good measuring/sounding speakers with stock crossovers.

That would be kind of nuts because some people on AVS also say that the DT220i "unusable" for music due to its titanium diaphragm.

The DE250 in the abbey is a polyimide, and is considered far better for music.

It's debatable. One is pretty pistonic until it breaks up, where it might be offensive, and might not be depending on the frequency and the listener's hearing at that frequency. The other is better damped, but not necessarily pistonic, which might mean some details are lost. The preference would be up to the individual.

The only materials that will definitely be "far better" are magnesium, beryllium, etc. The only tweeters that fit these criteria cost magnitudes more than these entire speakers. It's no different from comparing an aluminum cone midrange (IE KEF Q900) to a poly cone midrange (IE EMP e55ti). They have pros and cons.

The most definite advantage of the De250 over the sellenium, is that it can play an octave lower, but that's not too meaningful in a 10 inch two-way, compared to a 15" two way.

 

[gotchaforce]

Danny Richie does all the designs for CHT.

Can you link me?

chase himself says that he uses an eminence crossover.

https://www.chasehometheater.com/forum/showpost.php?p=70465&postcount=8

I dont think danny richie has anything to do with any of his products

You don't get good measuring/sounding speakers with stock crossovers.

Yep..

I dont see the point of CHT speakers now that the ed[c] are out. They have a custom crossover, and have a much better waveguide, bigger woofer, and with the DE250 upgrade better music performance/lower crossover point. If you order with their 15% off package its only $93 more for each speaker over CHT stuff.. no brainer IMO.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I dont see the point of CHT speakers now that the ed[c] are out. They have a custom crossover, and have a much better waveguide, bigger woofer, and with the DE250 upgrade better music performance/lower crossover point. If you order with their 15% off package its only $93 more for each speaker over CHT stuff.. no brainer IMO.

So the eD-c12 can have the same B&C DE250 aluminum driver as the $6K GedLee Abbey?

Sounds very nice.

I just realize that a lot of woofers are paper cone. The $20K KEF 207/2 and $16K+ Soundscape 12 (AE TD12S) have paper cone woofers.

 

[Matt34]

So the eD-c12 can have the same B&C DE250 aluminum driver as the $6K GedLee Abbey?

Sounds very nice.

I just realize that a lot of woofers are paper cone. The $20K KEF 207/2 and $16K+ Soundscape 12 (AE TD12S) have paper cone woofers.

Yup, I have the DE250 in my three. I can run myself out of the basement with those and the LMS sub, output is their forte.

 

[GranteedEV]

Thw de250 is poly/mylar, not aluminum.

I just realize that a lot of woofers are paper cone. The $20K KEF 207/2 and $16K+ Soundscape 12 (AE TD12S) have paper cone woofers.

the ss12 uses a modified driver based on the TD12h. i think it is aluminum.

 

[ski2xblack]

So the eD-c12 can have the same B&C DE250 aluminum driver as the $6K GedLee Abbey?

Sounds very nice.

Ditto for the Three Pi.

Of those mentioned so far, I would take a closer look at the eD and Three Pi.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Thw de250 is poly/mylar, not aluminum.

Oh, I see, it's an aluminum voice coil, but polyimide diaphragm material.

the ss12 uses a modified driver based on the TD12h. i think it is aluminum.

Oh, on the AE website, it says it "very stiff, hand coated and sealed paper cone".

AE Speakers --- Superb Quality, Unforgettable Performance, Definitely.

 

[GranteedEV]

Oh, I see, it's an aluminum voice coil, but polyimide diaphragm material.



Oh, on the AE website, it says it "very stiff, hand coated and sealed paper cone".

AE Speakers --- Superb Quality, Unforgettable Performance, Definitely.

Right, but the Salk unit isn't the off-the-shelf unit. The Salk unit digs deeper, is less sensitive, and is optimized for use with the 12" passive radiators in the small-ish box.

 

[Nuance AH]

Right, but the Salk unit isn't the off-the-shelf unit. The Salk unit digs deeper, is less sensitive, and is optimized for use with the 12" passive radiators in the small-ish box.

In the words of Michael Scott: "Yeysh." It means "yes" for those that don't watch the show.

 

[psbfan9]

These?

What about these?

https://www.chasehometheater.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=596&category_id=28&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=142&redirected=1&Itemid=142

System:
Two-way monitor system
High efficiency
Vented enclosure with slotted vent on front baffle
Frequency Response: 72 Hz – 18 kHz +/- 3 dB
Drivers:
1” compression driver tweeter feeding a 90 x 90 degree controlled dispersion waveguide
10” Woofer
Crossover Point: 1600 Hz
Impedance: 8 Ohms nominal
Sensitivity: 97 dB (2.83 Volts @ one meter, anechoic)
Enclosure:
3/4" MDF
Slightly textured, matte black finish
Full length cloth grille
Dimensions: 19" H x 11.5" W x 9.6" D (including grille)
Weight: ~28 lbs each
Shipping Weight: ~32 lbs each
Video Shielding: No (matters only for CRT/tube TV's)

 

[gotchaforce]

Ditto for the Three Pi.

Of those mentioned so far, I would take a closer look at the eD and Three Pi.

The ed cinema has the same waveguide as the three pi as well.

$493 shipped for a speaker that has like $320 in drivers and wave guides alone (if bought from Parts express H290S, DE250, Kappa pro afaik) is a very interesting proposition. I still want to hear one.

I wonder how much edesign would have to pay wayne to engineer a "perfect" crossover for their ed[c]. Problem would be the ed[c]12 would then cannabalize pi speaker sales i think.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

AJ is also offering something similar to the eD-c12, Chase SHO-10, & 3-Pi - high efficient / high output speakers in similar cabinet size for around $1K/pair.

I will call AJ sometime to talk.

 

[jcl]

Just fyi - on the AVS speaker forum's eD Owner's thread people have been reporting long wait times to get product. It seems the shipping dates some people have been given have proved inaccurate adding to some customer's frustration. So eD might not be the route to take for instant gratification.

 

[GranteedEV]

AJ is also offering something similar to the eD-c12, Chase SHO-10, & 3-Pi - high efficient / high output speakers in similar cabinet size for around $1K/pair.

I will call AJ sometime to talk.

Oh... just get the 1812 overtures

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Oh... just get the 1812 overtures

I just realized that the 3-Pi offers the same DE250 tweeter as the $6k Abbey and the AE TD12S woofer (kind of similar to the custom AE TD12H woofer in the $16K Soundscape) for $2450/pr.

But the 1812 Overture does seem tempting for sure.

 

[GranteedEV]

I just realized that the 3-Pi offers the same DE250 tweeter as the $6k Abbey and the AE TD12S woofer (kind of similar to the custom AE TD12H woofer in the $16K Soundscape) for $2450/pr.

The De250 in the Geddes OS waveguide + patented foam insert + low diffraction + Geddes crossover, low resonances cabinets won't necessarily sound the same as the de250 in the H290C + Parham crossover + rectangle cabinet.

The AE woofer is also used in the Audiokinesis Planetarium speakers, by the way.