putting my BDs on a server

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ryedunn

Audiophyte
I recently finished setting up my Home theater.. well kinda... One of the last things I would like to do is install a HTPC into my middle atlantic rack and rip all my BDs onto the server. Finally, I would like to use my Aeros MX-850 IR/RF Universal Remote to scan through the movie covers and select the movie.

So my question is, what software do you use to rip/read BDs? I do have a BD burner and I have the software to rip (for burning), but Im not sure if that format is what would be needed to watch the movie.
Also, if you have any suggestions for a server it would be much appreciated.

Thank you for your help.
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
Hi ryedunn and welcome to the forum.

There are many ways to go about the process you are describing. I have a setup that does what you are describing but I have went a route where I have a dedicated Windows Server running a RAID5 array to store my movies. I then use a Popcornhour C-200 media player.

The media player has a jukebox software that displays all the cover art of my moves that I cycle through with my URC MX-980 remote. I simply select the movie and it plays.

There are other members here who use Windows Media Center and BR playback software to playback ripped media or actual disks.

As for playback it will depend on the software. The beauty of the popcorn hour is it plays back almost any video file out of the box. As the user you will want to decide how much storage you will have as that will determine formats. I keep my movies in BR folder structure that once ripped I run through ClownBD to pull just the main movie and loose all the menu's and extra's. This reduces the file size somewhat and speeds up playback.

Others with no storage issues and want playback just like the actual disk will do iso's. Others who want some compression will use MKV files.

I would suggest looking at Popcornhour, Dune and other media players to see if you really want to use a HTPC or if a media player and a server or NAS will server you better.
 
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ryedunn

Audiophyte
Thank you

Wow thank you so much, the popcornhour looks exactly like what i was looking for and price much better than what I was expecting. I do have one question though that I couldnt find on their website.... they mentioned "Audio CD ripper is a free app that you can install from our Apps Market. " Can I assume then that it does not come with BD ripping software?
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
Correct there is no BR ripping software. This PCH is not a "computer" and does not have an OS like windows. You will need another computer to rip and store your movies. You an put an internal HD in the C-200 but 2-3TB is probably not enough. Think of it more as the front end of the system.

One think I should say in full disclosure. I do not use the PCH Network Media Jukebox. I use an open source jukebox called YAMJ and I have modified the skins for my needs. If you are not an experienced computer user and have a good understanding of networks, java script and HTML/XML/CSS you may want to stick with what they give you. If you do have the experience they have a good forum and you can really tweak it to look and work exactly like you want.

Also take a look at the latest Dune players. Many users have been very happy with them. I don't know if they play as many formats or if they can be tweaked as much and the PCH's can.

I've also read that they are going to release a firmware upgrade on the C-200 that uses a flash interface like the new A/C-300 models and that you cannot go back to they HTML based jukebox that I use. I will be holding off on that unless the user community (Omertron) stops supporting YAMJ.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
I went the route of having NAS servers and a small Mini-ITX HTPC for each display. I wanted to be able to have a full PC experience on each display if I so desired. Plus, I feel a HTPC is the most flexible playback device as you can always update software or even view content through your web browser, regardless of what new services or formats are introduced!

For the NAS, I went with Synology. I got two DS411j units and put 4 3TB drives in each for a total of 24TB of storage. With both DS411j units connected to my dual-band Wifi-N Gigabit router, I can access anything stored on either NAS unit from any computer in the house. With proper formatting and software, I can also access files remotely via the internet.

Synology has many NAS units, including rack-mount units. I went with the DS411j for the simple reason that they are the least expensive 4-bay NAS units that Synology offers ;)

Sadly, hard drives are still expensive at the moment. Cheapest 3TB drives I'm seeing are still up around $150-160. I got all eight of my drives when they were $120 a piece, so it wasn't too bad.

I backup my Blu-rays as full 1:1 ISO image files. I personally like to have the disc menus and special features (yes, even BD-Live) still available, so the simple 1:1 ISO files work perfectly for that. I also have HD-DVD backups - again, as 1:1 ISO files. I mention HD-DVD only because that informed my choice of playback software ;)

To make the backups, I use Slysoft's AnyDVD HD. It is frequently updated for any and all of the latest copy protection schemes. AnyDVD HD does cost money for a subscription for the updates. I jumped on the lifetime subscription when it was cheap and available. Slysoft isn't offering the lifetime subscription option anymore, so it's potentially more expensive now, depending on how long you pay to keep it up to date.

Making the backups is extremely easy. I simply right-click on the AnyDVD HD tray icon and select "Rip to Image". I can select various options in the AnyDVD HD program for things like region code, forbidden playback controls, skipping trailers, removing BD-Live, etc. AnyDVD HD works for DVDs, Blu-rays, HD-DVDs and CDs, so it pretty much has you covered.

To play back the ISO image files, I first have to "mount" the ISO files so that the PC "thinks" I've inserted an actual disc into a disc drive. This is simple with Slysoft's free Virtual CloneDrive.

Now playback is identical to having inserted a physical disc. I use ArcSoft's TotalMedia Theatre 5 software since it is the only current software that still plays HD-DVDs!

To make playback look all pretty and organized, I use Windows Media Center in Windows 7. TMT5 integrates seemlessly for playback within WMC.

To get all the covers and metadata, I use MyMovies, which is mostly free with the option to pay for upgrades. Many people prefer MediaBrowser, which looks a bit more slick within WMC and is a bit easier for importing all of the covers and metadata since it simply looks at your folder names (you make a separate folder for each disc backup file when you rip them and then MediaBrowser looks them up on tmdb.com and pulls in the covers and data automatically). I prefer MyMovies though because MediaBrowser's data is more generic. For example, I have several "duplicate" titles for things like Watchmen or The Lord of the Rings, which are available in several versions. My Movies has a separate entry for each disc release, so you can have data and covers that are specific for the exact disc and it's easy to have multiple versions of the same movie. MediaBrowser's automatic data retrieval just goes by title - although you can manually enter titles, so there are still options with MediaBrowser. For me, MyMovies works, so I've stuck with it :)

For remote control, you just need a WMC remote, which will come with a little IR dongle that you plug into a USB port. If you want to be able to put the PC into hibernation rather than just sleep and be able to wake the PC from hibernation and not just sleep with the IR remote, you'll need to get a motherboard with a CIR connection option. ASRock is probably your best bet for such a motherboard.

I went with a HTPC for each display rather than a Popcorn Hour, Boxee Box or Dune for the simple reason that I also wanted a full PC and web experience available on every display in my home. All of those set top boxes are fine alternatives for playback. You'd just need a central Windows server to handle all the ripping and storage of the metadata and database. MyMovies works on Windows Server as well, so it's still a good option in that type of setup. Given how inexpensive it is to build a small ITX Core i3 Sandybridge HTPC though, I think it ends up being the better value. You get full HD-Audio and 3D playback support without any need for an additional graphics card and 24fps support as well. There are mini and micro-ATX options as well, many of which resemble a standard CE device sort of shape if you prefer.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
I installed My Movies, but all my movie files are in .iso format, and media center tells me I have no image mounters detected on my system capable of mounting disc images, but I do have Daemon Tools which I use to mount images... should it detect that automatically, or should I use something else like Alcohol 120 or virtual clone drive?
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
SlySoft (creators of Any DVD) has a free ISO mounter. BUT My Movies works better with Folder Structures. Folder structures are less work as far as the mechanics of getting the ISO volume mounted.

You just have to be patient with the image mounting procedure. MyMovies will do it but it's clunky.
 
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GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
Ok, I got virtal clone drive installed, and it does mount the image when I tell it to play, but then it never plays back the movie automatically, I have to go to either PowerDVD or TMT to playback the title.
 
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BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
I'll throw out that I went through the same line of questioning about two years ago and I ended up going with a HDI Dune media player.

It was purchased strictly for BD playback, but has turned into a lot more, especially with TV shows which we have on it in large quantities.

For storage, I have 3 Thecus N4100Pro units set up in a RAID5 configuration. It gives me disc redundancy for about 21TB of data which is almost completely filled at this point with over 300 DVDs and an additional 300 Blu-ray Discs... oh, and about 3,0000 different TV episodes.

The Thecus drives were about the easiest thing to setup on my network so far.

The Dune took a bit of playing with to get it figured out, but really wasn't to bad at all once I got things going with it. Then, I added yaDIS to it after trying Zappiti. yaDIS is a great video wall interface which scrapes the net for titles/covers/etc for all your titles pretty much automatically. I still can just browse to stuff I just ripped to my drive, but once a week I typically go through, run yaDIS, and update my video collection media wall.

For ripping, as others have said, Slysoft's AnyDVD is the way to go. Stick a disc in, right click, and 'rip to image' is an option. I just had a disc it didn't recognize. I checked my software version and found out that they had released an update recently. I downloaded the update, and the disc then the disc was recognized with no issues at all.

You have a lot of choices, and they are growing right now, but I can say that, at the moment, I am extremely happy with my Dune. So much so that I actually purchased a second unit for my home to share the collection.

Wish hard drive prices would start coming down. I need another 7TB!!!
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Ok, I got virtal clone drive installed, and it does mount the image when I tell it to play, but then it never plays back the movie automatically, I have to go to either PowerDVD or TMT to playback the title.
In the MyMovies Collection Manager

For each title that you've entered, there will be some little button icons that say "genre", "studio", "extras" etc.

One of those button icons says "Disc(s)". Click on that. A new submenu pops up. The second line says "Location Type (Side A)" Hit that to get a drop-down menu. Select "Online File". Go through the menu tree and select the ISO image file for that movie. Yes, you'll have to painstakingly go through each and every disc for this particular method :p

Now when you go into Windows Media Center and hit "Play" on a movie, MyMovies will work in the background. It will automatically look up the location that you pointed to. Virtual CloneDrive will automatically mount the ISO file. Check the options in your playback software to make sure it is set to automatically play discs when they are inserted. That should get the movie playing automatically any time you hit "Play" within WMC.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
In the MyMovies Collection Manager

For each title that you've entered, there will be some little button icons that say "genre", "studio", "extras" etc.

One of those button icons says "Disc(s)". Click on that. A new submenu pops up. The second line says "Location Type (Side A)" Hit that to get a drop-down menu. Select "Online File". Go through the menu tree and select the ISO image file for that movie. Yes, you'll have to painstakingly go through each and every disc for this particular method :p

Now when you go into Windows Media Center and hit "Play" on a movie, MyMovies will work in the background. It will automatically look up the location that you pointed to. Virtual CloneDrive will automatically mount the ISO file. Check the options in your playback software to make sure it is set to automatically play discs when they are inserted. That should get the movie playing automatically any time you hit "Play" within WMC.
OR you can rip to folder structure and enjoy... The reason you have to select TMT or Cyberlink is you can not play BR in the native Media Center Player. MS never licensed the appropriate CODEC's.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
OR you can rip to folder structure and enjoy... The reason you have to select TMT or Cyberlink is you can not play BR in the native Media Center Player. MS never licensed the appropriate CODEC's.
That's the reason my .iso's won't play automatically when mounted by my movies, since my movies requires points to change the auto playback from media center default player to whatever player(s) you have installed. I can't change the defalut playback method without points, but setting autoplay for blu rays should fix the issue, although it's not the most desireable fix, it will have to do.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
OR you can rip to folder structure.

Not sure if my posts about folder structures are displaying for you. You will be prompted inside of MCE for the player of choice.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
For the longest time & still going, I've been using DVDFab to rip all my movies (mostly BD, but some kids DVDs).

The life-time license (never expires) is so much cheaper than AnyDVD.

It is also a lot more functional to me than AnyDVD. I can rip the entire disc or just the main movie and save a lot of HDD space. I can delete most subtitles & just keep the English subtittles.

I also bought the DVDFab BD-to-DVD, which converts BD to DVD for some folks that are not into BDs.:D

DVDFab even sells software to convert your BD/DVD to mobile for your Android tablets/phones.

The fees are for the life-time & never expire & so much cheaper than AnyDVD.

For mounting, I use the free Virtual Clone drive from Slysoft.

For playback, I use PowerDVD 10 Ultimate.

So I use DVDFab, Virtual Clone Drive, & PowerDVD.

I get 1080p picture & DTS-HD MA & Dolby TrueHD sound in full glory.

When a friend brought over the "Water for Elephant" BD, none of my BD players could play it . I had to use DVDFab to rip just the main movie (not entire disc). Then I was able to play the movie.
 
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Grador

Audioholic Field Marshall
I am a fan of XBMC, it is a very full featured media player with a quite nice built in library. There is a little bit of a learning curve setting it up, but it's not to bad and once past it I've found it to be an amazing piece of software. In the most recent release they've just added full bluray menu support and it is very happy to take your .iso files without any additional software or steps.

As for ripping I use DVDFab which is updated frequently enough and has a free version that works just fine for me.
 

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