DIY dual sealed 15" subs

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Jeff R.

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Guys

I am starting to plan for a DIY that I would like to start. My hopeful budget would be $900 for the Subs and Amp. I am in no hurry so I can wait to buy subs or amps during a good sale.

I want to build 2 sealed boxes that will house a single 15" sub in each box. I am looking to spend about $300 on each sub if possible. That is assuming I can get some thing of good quality at that price point. I would like to keep my boxes of reasonable size, say less than 4 cubic feet if possible. I will figure out how I will power them, likely an external amp 500 watts min to each.

What do you guys recommend?

Thanks

Jeff
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

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why not for a bit more go with more linear driver: TC Sounds LMS-R 15 Dvc ?
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

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why not for a bit more go with more linear driver: TC Sounds LMS-R 15 Dvc ?
If that question was directed at me, the main reasons are that the JBL is itself purrrty linear, has lower inductance and higher sensitivity for much of its passband as far as I can imagine.

If that was directed at the OP, then never mind. :p
 
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Jeff R.

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That is an option that may be a little on the costly side. Any idea how large of a sealed box I would need to get down to 20hz?

How would the JBL compare to one of the Part Express Titanic 15" drivers?
 
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Jeff R.

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Wow that is one heck of a build on that cabinet.....way out of what I can do with my piddly tool stash.
 
timoteo

timoteo

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Getting flat down to 20hz at reasonable volumes is not cheap.

What about FI drivers?...
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

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How would the JBL compare to one of the Part Express Titanic 15" drivers?
The only dayton driver that would be comparable in SQ would be the RSS390HF, except the JBL will need a fraction of the box volume, will handle over 5X the power thermally, and has about 30% more rated x-max. (that said, two RSS390s for the cost of one W15GTI would be a smart move - ::IF:: you can live with the necessary huge box.)

No sealed driver will hit 20hz without EQ boost or lucky room coupling.

At that point it's a matter of thermal power handling vs box size (how much boost is necessary, and how much boost can the driver handle without losing performance). I'm on Ubuntu right here so I can't model it for you until later, but the JBL should be comfortable in under 3 cu ft off the top of my head.
 
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templemaners

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Since it's sealed, you probably want to budget some $ for an EQ system, in case you want to add a L/T circuit.
 
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Nuance AH

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No sealed driver will hit 20hz without EQ boost or lucky room coupling.
You mean anechoic, right? One of my TC2000's goes flat to 20 easy without EQ in my room. This, of course, is room gain at play, but I'm not complaining. And yeah, I probably did get lucky, but in other rooms it easily has gone flat after pulling down the peak at 50Hz.

Here are two TC2000's, about 8 feet apart with no EQ in the new house. As you can see, coupling starts between 50 and 40Hz. If I am just using the one (non-corner loaded), it looks almost identical but the response from 50 and below is more even with the response above that (again, a product of coupling or non-coupling).



Anyway, I second Grant's recommendation and also recommend shopping for used TC2000 drivers.
 
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Jeff R.

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The FI drivers definitely look impressive.....never heard of the company...how is their reliability?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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That is an option that may be a little on the costly side. Any idea how large of a sealed box I would need to get down to 20hz?

How would the JBL compare to one of the Part Express Titanic 15" drivers?
Size of the box has to be the correct size for the driver. It will not affect low frequency extension, just Q.

Now a sealed sub will not reach 20 Hz without an expensive driver, a lot of Eq and a big amp.

On your budget to get to 20 Hz at any useful spl. a ported enclosure is mandatory.

A sealed enclosure will roll off at 12 db per octave somewhere around an octave above the driver Fs and often higher. For a lot of drivers Eq has to start around 60 Hz and even for the best drivers Eq will start at around 40 Hz almost always above.

A sealed sub driver will have a low Fs high Qts and a huge xmax and be able to handle lots of power. This usually results of a driver of low sensitivity and efficiency. You have to equalize below roll off at 12 db per octave. For every 3db boost at a given frequency power demands are doubled. So very high power amps are mandatory.

Now the situation is very different for a ported enclosure.

The extension of a ported enclosure can extend to very close to the Fs of the driver, usually a little above, sometimes at Fs and occasionally a little below. But basically Fs determines the F3 under most ported models.

Since most of the output of the deep bass comes from the port and not the driver, linear xmax does not have to be as large. Qts of around 0.3 to 0.35 is usually optimal. Drivers for this application can be made higher. Sensitivity and efficiency are higher, and Eq can not be used as below F3 the driver uncouples. So if Eq is used you get large cone excursions, but no sound output. So you can use a much smaller cheaper amp for the same spl.

So to get to 20 Hz a ported design is budget friendly, a sealed design is not.

The same comments apply to ported and passive radiator tuned enclosures.
 
timoteo

timoteo

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I was researching an Infinite Baffle sub setup for my house when i came across FI subs. If i ever end up tackling that project i would be using 4-18" FI subs. They get great reviews for IB applications. But FI has a special driver to use in an IB. They have other drivers that a specific for standard box use. I havent looked much into those models but have read great things on them the little i have seen.

Id be looking into them if i were in your shoes. At least research their reputation which seems good. The build quality is very nice on them. Check out the DIY forums to get more info on FI.
 

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